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    Dear Socionics wizards, my 21Q questionnaire requires your attention

    I have hunch about what my type could be but since last time I did a questionnare I didn't feel like my answers really reflected who I am (It was the 40Q Philosophical), I decided to try this one.

    Okay, so I donít know if this matters but I thought that I should tell you that I sort of planned my answers to these questions months ago and got lazy and then forgot about it completely. I used maybe 5 minutes to brainstorm each answer in my native language and now I finally translated them into English. Feel free to ask for clarification if Iím being too vague or something.

    Personal concepts

    1. What is beauty? What is love?
    I think that beauty is anything that touches the soul. In my case itís often art of some kind. Beautiful music offers an escape from reality. It is like a trip to foreign land that still feels like home. Stories and words in general can be very beautiful. Pictures that I find beautiful are usually black and white. They have certain type of harmony in them. Also enough contrast to make it interesting. Then thereís this duality - light versus darkness. Okay, now that I think about it, itís everywhere not only black and white pictures but they some how bring it up.


    What is love?
    ĎíWatt is love, baby don't hertz me, no morse.íí Sorry not sorry.

    2. What are your most important values?
    Iíd say knowledge and understanding. Knowledge without understanding is either useless or dangerous (knowledge is limited and therefore it is possible to justify anything by choosing the knowledge that fits the purpose and saying something like Ďíthese are the facts and this is what weíll doíí). When one understands how things works, itís much easier to make decisions that are just and wise. Actually thatís it! Wisdom. Wisdom is what I value above all else.

    3. Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?
    If I had to label myself Iíd probably say Iím some sort of sceptical agnostic. I like to ponder and even debate religious topics. Some religious ideas are just fascinating. Iíve spend hours of my life just to read Wikipedia articles about strange religions in the middle of the night.


    Iíd like to believe that anything is possible. Thatís why I keep thinking about eternity or infinity all over again. I also like it because it tickles my brain.


    And.. I like the idea of reincarnation, too. I respect life. Iím curious about death. I see death as a part of life. They are a circle and cannot be separated from each other. Death sort of feeds life. Bodies turn into nutrients and make it possible for plants to grow and feed animals that then die and end up eaten by other animals or back to the soil.

    4. Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?
    I think war is a major waste of potential. It kills so many people who could have done great things in this world. The amount of art and scientific discoveries that never happened because somebody died too early makes me wonder whereíd we be at without the endless slaughter (which by the way has the word Ďlaughterí in it - I like that). The reasons for warfare seem far-fetched and irrational to me. I donít really understand nationalism.


    Okay, I sort of understand the need for wars of liberation (that sounds like some really epic version of Need for Speed lol) but I think they can be questioned too. They tend to be bloody and often repeated after some time has passed. People donít seem able to be happy with governments that have killed their loved ones in the past and thatís understandable. The thing is that most people crave for revenge. And the thing with revenge is, like Gandhi would say, eye for an eye makes the whole world bling- (OMG what a precious typo!!! ) sorryÖ erhmÖ blind.


    Power, hmmm? Knowledge is power. When you know how to control people and itís possible for you to use that knowledge, you are powerful.


    Interests

    5. What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?
    Iíve had long conversations about Game of Thrones, socialism versus capitalism, problems in society, gun laws, facism&racism (what a lovely old couple) and probably many many more.

    My interests are pretty much endless. However, I could probably say that my main interests are history, sociology, philosophy, literature and movies. I enjoy looking into new things and basicly just learning about the world. I love to watch documentaries and current affairs programmes. I really enjoy participating in conversations and debates. They make me feel alive. Sometimes I just google random stuff like Ďíis it possible to die on placebo effectíí or Ďído microwaves kill moldíí.

    Sometimes I draw, paint or write.

    6. Interested in health/medicine as a conversation topic? Are you focused on your body?
    Health does not really interest me. Medicine does. Itís history is fascinating and I think Iíd like to ponder with a group of friends where itís heading for in the future. I have written some rants about how easily doctors order certain medications to people who donít necessarily need them.


    Iím not really focused on my body. I might not always notice if Iím hungry or tired.

    7. What do you think of daily chores? They bore me.

    8. Books or films you liked? Recently read/watched or otherwis. Examples welcomee. My top 5 films are Fight Club, A Thin Red Line, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Monty Pythonís Life of Brian and Birdman (or the unexpected virtue of ignorance). I like Chuck Palahniukís books and Vonnegut is a really really great writer. Donna Tarttís The Goldfinch and The Secret History are wonderful novels. Then thereís The Hitchhikerís Guide to the Galaxy, which is genious and hilarious and I just love it.

    9. What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?
    Sad movies and books easily make me cry if Iím alone and nobody can see me cry. Funerals are the worst. Anxiety when it gets bad.

    So many things make me smile that I donít know where to begin. Hmm, most of the things that make me smile also make me laugh so Iíll just list those ones too. Absurd stuff, random things combined, Monty Python, clever and funny things, satire, South Park, funny incidents, my friends when they are being silly with me.

    10. Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?
    In a flowing conversation. I just sort of forget about everything else and became so focused Iím no longer aware of myself. The world outside the conversation disappears completely - only the things that we are talking about exist at that moment in place and time.

    And sometimes when Iím walking in the forest. I observe the nature carefully and suddenly everything seems overwhelmingly beautiful and I feel like Iím part of something bigger. This can also happen if Iím walking with a group of friends and we are just chatting cheerfully.


    Evaluation & Behaviour


    11. What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
    I donít know what other people see as my weaknesses. I rarely reveal my weaknesses. Sometimes I may joke about them. I dislike my laziness. I give up easily if Iím not good at something. Iím bad at making decisions, I just donít know what to focus on since everything interests me. Iím good at many things but excellent in nothing. Iíd also like to be more open about my emotions, but I trust very few people and the ones I trust I like so much that I just want to have a good time with them, not discuss my problems. I also have trouble relaxing and when Iím bored I get anxious quite easily. It would be easier just not to worry but I donít really know how to do that, other than distract myself.

    12. What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
    Iíve heard that Iím creative and good at everything. One of my friends said that Iím Ďía mad geniousíí when I asked her to describe me. The thing I like about myself is my curiosity towards life because thatís what keeps me going.


    13. In what areas of your life would you like help?

    Finding something that I could focus on, support so I could actually finish things. Hmmm, then I think that I also need someone to bring me back to earth when I worry about things that I canít do anything about. Someone could remind me that I need to eat occasionally and tell me when itís time to sleep.

    14. Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it. My job is rut and I hate it. Itís only temporary so I can bear with it even though I feel like Iím in some sort of customized hell. I didnít really have time to think about the consequences before I accepted the job.


    People & Interactions

    15. What qualities do you most like and dislike in other people? What types do you get along with? Qualities I appreciate: bravery, intellect, determination, justness, WISDOM, talent. Qualities I like: warmth, sensitivity, empathy. Qualities I dislike: cruelty, no sense of humor, superficiality

    16. How do you feel about romance/sex? What qualities do you want in a partner?
    I have no experience in this field of life. Iíve never even told any of my crushes that I like them. Iíd like to find somebody to love. I think that we will have to have mental connection, I donít think that Iíd be attracted to someone that I canít have meaningful conversations with. So great sex is not enough. Iíd like my future partner to be someone that can help me out with at least some of my weaknesses. I could help with theirs.

    17. If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?
    Iíd make sure that the child knows that I love them. I would read to them a lot. I would try to answer their questions the best I can. Iíd also encourage them to hang out with friends so they could develop their social skills. I wouldnít like to be overly controlling.

    18. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward and outward reaction?
    internally I might be a bit shocked but also curious about the reasons behind their opinion. Outward reaction depends on friend. If I knew that they wouldnít get hurt Iíd ask them why they claim that. I could explain my own view if I felt like it at the moment. Thereís also a chance that I wouldnít say anything if I figured that the situation is the kind that everyone will be happier if I remain quiet.

    19. Describe your relationship to society. How do you see people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.
    My relationship to society is to make jokes about it. Mainly dark ones. To do that Iíll need to observe it, so I read/watch the news everyday. Iíd also like to do something to develop it but Iím still a bit unsure how to do that.


    My view of humanity is a bit conflicted. On one hand I hate us and the things we have done to this place. It frustrates me that we never learn from our mistakes. On the other hand I really love all the great cultural achievements like science and literature. I love old cities with beautiful architecture. The idea of humans going to extinct saddens me and makes me feel excited at the same time. You know those pictures where Ďínature strikes backíí? Plants take over buildings? I love those pictures.


    To me the most prevalent social problem is the fact that the wealthiest one percent of the population has more money that everyone else added up. It means that not all of us have the same chances to make our dreams come true.

    20. How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?
    I donít really choose my friends. I just end up in groups and some of them are so great company that we become friends. I usually take the role of a clown or just make short comments about things we talk about. Sometimes I throw myself in a conversation and just immerse myself in it. In two on two situations I mostly just listen and answer questions.

    21. How do you behave around strangers?
    I usually smile a lot and try to be friendly. If the strangers are serious then Iím serious too. Iíve noticed that I mirror people a lot. I tend to observe fisrt and if the strangers seem accepting and talk about things that interest me I usually participate.
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    I filled up another questionnaire. I'd be really grateful, if you could look into it. I considered making another thread for it but then I thought that it's easier to type me if it's all here.

    1. What is work in your opinion? Why do people go to work? Are there any parameters where you can distinguish whether you can do this work or not?
    Work is doing something useful. Most people go to work because they need money to survive in this world. Some people go to work because they like their work or because it makes them feel important - they are doing something meaningful. Some people work because it is boring to do nothing. There are probably many many more reasons, but I think it wouldn’t be really interesting to make a longer list.

    I’m not sure if I understood the last question correctly, but in case I did, yeah sure. There are some test that can be applied to some extend. I wouldn’t blindly trust them, however.


    2. How do people determine the quality of work? How do you determine such quality? How well you can determine the quality of any purchase, do you pay any attention to it?
    People have various different ways of determining quality. Some might judge it by how it looks, some how it fits the purpose and some by how long it will last in the use. I tend to determine the quality of an object by how well it serves it purpose. There can be many factors that I consider but the most important thing is that it works the way it’s supposed to work.


    3. There is a professional right next to you. You always see that you can't perform the way they do. Your feelings, thoughts and actions?
    I might feel inferior or a bit of envy. However, mostly I respect people with abilities greater than my own. I don’t know what I’d actually think in this kind of situation. There are so many possibilities. I think that I’d probably watch closely what this professional was doing, there’s always a chance to learn. I might think of all the effort they must have put into it, since they are so capable. These are just some possibilities, I can’t say for sure this is how I’d feel/think/act.


    4. If you struggle to do something, what can you say about such a task? Tell us your next steps and give examples. Compare with actions of others in a similar situation.
    It’s probably the kind of task that’s very practical and mundane and requires hard work. If I must do this task, if it’s important, I’d probably try to keep that in mind to motivate myself.

    This question is really hard for me to answer. Maybe this is the task? :D I guess I just played around different paths and decided to answer alternative way? I guess that a lot of people just answered this by telling about some situation they’ve struggled in their lives and how they overcame it and then compare like I’m doing right now. I might be wrong (that’s a great Radiohead song btw).


    5. You need to build a pyramid exactly like in Egypt. Your thoughts, feelings and actions?
    I’d be quite excited about this, really. At least at first. Of course it would be a huge project and I’m not sure I’d be able to do it. I’d need lots of people to help me with this. I think that I’d need to bring together some egyptologists and engineers. Then some trustworthy building company. Except that… if it’d had to be exactly like in Ancient Egypt, would it need to be built using same methods? If so I’m actually gonna give up. Human rights organizations would stone me to death. Yeah, yeah, they don’t do stuff like that. I’d be thrown to jail for the rest of my life because I tried to commit such awful crime against humanity. Um, so I guess I couldn’t build that pyramid after all. Lol. (Radiohead actually has a song called Pyramid Song btw :D)




    1. General to specific, specific to general – what does it mean? Give examples.
    I think that in mathematics, they always start with the basic idea. It has to be understood to be able to solve more complex problems. Specific to general, hmmm, I think that many stories with a lesson work this way. One tells a story and then the lesson can be applied to general life.


    2. What does "logical" mean? What is your understanding? Do you think that it correlates with the common view? Is it is easy for you to be logical?
    One thing leads to another in a way that can be predicted if their connection is properly understood. My understanding is born as I watch and listen the world around me or read about it. There are certain patterns to notice that help me understand. I don’t really know what is the common view of understanding. I’m not always the most logical person in the room, but I’d say that I spot the errors in logic relatively easily.

    3. What is hierarchy? Give examples of hierarchies. Do you need to follow it? Why or why not? Give example of hierarchy of systems, what is it?
    Hierarchy is a system in which things are in order based on their value. There are social hierarchies, hierarchies of importance, hierarchies of culture etc. Mostly I follow them because that makes things easier. Some social hierarchies seem a bit pointless to me and I don’t always approve of them. Hierarchy of systems sounds funny because I define hierarchy as a system, but yeah why not? System of systems that are in order based on value. Socionics Model A?


    4. Choose one of the following tasks and give a detailed answer. Explain your choice.


    Analyze famous phrase of Socrates: “I know that I know nothing”. Is it logical?
    If Socrates knows that he knows nothing he knows at least one thing. But the thing is that at the same time he denies knowing it. So it is not logical, it is a paradox. I chose this one because paradoxes appeal to me and Socrates is the father of philosophy, such a great old fella.


    5. Do you frequently feel the need to structure information? For what purpose? How do people usually do it? How do you do it?
    I think I structure it all the time. Structure makes information easier to comprehend. I don’t know how people usually do it, I think I could actually look into that since it soudns intresting.







    1. Can you press people? What methods do you use? If so, how does it happen?
    I feel uncomfortable if I’m in a position where I’m supposed to push people. I think I usually ask them questions? One time had to lead a group of students at school (no one else wanted to do it and I was the oldest student so it sort of fell on my shoulders). They seemed clueless but I just kept asking ‘’Anyone got any ideas?’’, ‘’Nobody?’’ and it was awful, I didn’t know what to do.


    2. Are there strategies of attack? Can you use them? When is it justified? Do you think it's ok to occupy someone else's territory? In what situations?
    Yeah there are physical and mental strategies. It wouldn’t make sense for me to attack anyone physically even if I wanted to since I’m so small that I’d only get my ass kicked. My best weapon could be words, short slightly insulting comments. I usually avoid being mean because it only brings trouble. I don’t think it’s justified and someone else’s territory is someone else’s territory. I have no business there.


    3. How do you protect yourself and your interests?
    I’d rather run away than fight. I don’t know if that’s protection. I don’t feel a strong need to protect my interests. If someone insults them, I’d feel pissed off but probably hide it. They can have their opinion.


    4. Describe your behavior in the situations of opposition and if you have to use some force?
    I give up easily. I act in an uncertain and probably clumsy way.


    5. Do others think of you as a strong person? Do you think you are a strong person?
    I don’t know what others think. Not gonna ask though. I’m afraid they might laugh at me. I think I’m not a particularly strong person.


    1. What is beauty? Do you change your opinion about beauty? Does your understanding correlate with the generally accepted notion? What goes beyond the generally accepted notion?
    Beauty is something touching. I don’t feel like using my time to explain beauty, since I’ve already answered that question in another questionnaire. My opinions are usually quite flexible and can be shaped if there’s a valid reason to do so. I can change my mind if I realise I’ve been wrong.

    The generally accepted notion is somewhat different from mine, I think. Symmetry and harmony usually go hand in hand with the general concept of beauty. My notion is probably more abstract and subjective than that.

    2. Is there a template of understanding what beautiful means for everyone to use? Is there such a term as "classic beauty"? If so, what is it?
    Symmetry can be measured. But the problem with that is that, for example, faces that have been photoshopped to perfect symmetry don’t look beautiful but instead creepy. Harmony is even harder to determine. We have to use generalizations which takes ‘’classical beauty’’ further from ‘’objective beauty’’ if that even exists. Generalizations can still be made, but they might cause misunderstanding. (I made a great typo! ‘’missunderstanding’’ - Can I be the Miss Understanding?)

    3. How do you create your comfort and coziness? How do others evaluate your skill in doing so? Do you agree with them? Comfort isn’t my main concern, but I might wear warm clothing so I don’t get cold. Others (my mom) evaluate(s) my coziness skills to be rather poor. I agree to some extend.


    4. How do you pick your own clothes? Do you follow fashion? Why? Do you know how to select clothes for different types of figures?
    Usually I pick my clothes quite randomly, just put something on and that’s it. As I said, I like my clothes warm so that’s important. I usually know what’s fashionable but I don’t really care about fashion because I view it somewhat superficial. There’s much more interesting things in life than what people wear. As a social phenomenon I might think about it and discuss it with my friends. I’m not sure if I know how to select clothes for different body types. To be honest, I don’t care.

    5. Tell us how you'd design any room, house or an office. Do you do it yourself or trust someone else to do it? Why? Could I do it with my friends?
    That would be fun. We’d probably take a piece of paper and start planning. The result would be absurd, but that’s okay.

    Okay, let me try again. If this design project is important, I’d probably ask help from professional designer. Or I could take it as a personal challenge and actually take it seriously. Then I’d try to make it as functional as possible without losing my sense of humour completely. There could be some fun details.

    We actually had this competition in junior high in which we had to design a mural to a local factory and the workers voted for the winner. I won that competition! I certainly wasn’t expecting that. My mural had dinosaurs and lizards with workers helmets on and one of them was ‘’climbing’’ up the door that was in the middle of the wall. The other lizard climbed up a pillar.





    1. Is it acceptable to express emotions in public? Give examples of inappropriate expression of emotions.
    I think it is acceptable for others. I don’t mind if people are crying in public. I tend to have trouble with expressing negative emotions in public, I deal with them alone. I can show enthusiasm and joy, but not anger or grief. If I’m in a group of friends I can even express some annoyance, but crying when people can actually see it is something I feel ashamed off even if I know that it’s okay. Inappropriate expressions of feelings are probably getting uncontrollably mad and acting violent.


    2. Think of such negative emotional states as sadness, gloom, and despondence.


    Can you, at your own will, enter these states? If not, then when do you feel them?

    Sometimes when I’m alone this happens but there is usually some reason for it. I don’t just think ‘’Okay now I could be sad.’’ I feel strongly when reading sad stories or watching sad movies/tv series. Sometimes listening to music makes me emotional.
    How long can you stay in such states?
    I haven’t really thought about it. I don’t know.
    How can you withdraw from them?
    Watching Monty Python usually helps.
    Can they be pleasant, soothing?
    Yeah, if I’m alone and I don’t have to worry about other people’s reaction.
    How do you feel after you have experienced them?
    Purified.


    3. How quickly can you change emotional state? To what side – positive or negative?

    If I’m alone and have nothing to do, my emotional state usually stays the same for long time. Although it might actually start with mild boredom and then slowly grow to quite extreme anxiety. I don’t know if that’s even me or some kind of a disorder.

    If I’m around people or watching a movie for example, my mood can change really quickly. Around people I usually hide it if it’s not positive emotion.


    4. What emotional state is usual for you? Does your internal emotional state correlate with what you show externally?

    Now that my current situation in life sucks, my emotional state is usually either very low or anxious, sometimes annoyed. Before that, it used to be mostly neutral or excited. Whether I show it externally depends on if I’m alone or not.


    5. Tell us about your moods over the last day.
    Well, I’ve got a day-off today so I’ve been more cheerful than usually. I slept very well so I feel a bit hyperactive.


    1. Tell us how did you build relationships with others over the last day.
    I hugged my mom. I’ve been talking to my friends through Skype.


    2. What is sympathy? When do you need to express it? When is it advised not to? How do you express it?
    I’m afraid I can’t define sympathy. I tried but I just.. my head is empty. I guess i need to express it when people have had rough time and need emotional support. I can’t think of any situations when it’s advised not to. I try to look at them in a way that hopefully is empathic. I feel quite clumsy when I’m supposed to comfort somebody so I don’t usually say anything. I hope it’s enough if I’m there for them. I don’t want my friends to feel neglected.


    3. Are there any standards of behavior or interpersonal relationships in the society? If so, do you adhere to them? Do people always have to maintain them? Why?
    Yeah, there are plenty of them. I try to act according to them so that I wouldn’t hurt anybody’s feelings and to avoid confusion. I’m pretty tolerant to other people breaking these standards, though. I don’t see any reason why these standards could not be changed if needed.

    4. What does moral mean? What is immoral? How do you understand these terms and does your understanding correlate with the others? How can you evaluate the correctness of your own understanding?

    Moral is knowing how to separate good and bad from each other. Immoral is bad. For example hurting someone for no reason is immoral. I think my understanding of these terms does correlate with other’s understanding as well. I guess my evaluation of my own understanding is always flawed no matter what. I think we just have to accept that our understanding is subjective and we might make mistakes. I’m not saying that we should abandon evaluation completely. I’m saying that we can’t completely trust in our abilities to do the right thing. That’s why discussion is important. It allows us to compare our views of what’s wrong and what’s right.


    5. Somebody is giving you a negative attitude – what is your reaction? Could you show your own negative attitude toward someone else? If so, how? Could you feel ill-disposed towards somebody for a long time? How easily do you forgive people?

    I’d feel confused and hurt but probably wouldn’t show it directly. I think I could show negative attitude but not on purpose. I don’t mean to hurt anybody. I’m very forgiving person. It’s hard for me to stay mad at anyone for over couple of hours.



    1. Is there a meaning of life? In what? Is it the same for everybody?
    I tend to think there is not just one answer to this one. In my opinion there is no meaning of life unless you give it some. It’s not the same for everybody. I’m totally fine with people having different meanings.


    2. When you meet a stranger, what can you say about them right away? How do you know what this person is all about? Does it take long to understand someone's traits?
    Their presence can tell myriads of things about them, but then again it can lead to false assumptions. The best way to surely know what they are all about is to get to know them. Talk with them. Watch how they interact with others. I usually understand people quite easily. It doesn’t take long.


    3. 'Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.' (Albert Einstein). What is the core of stupidity? Explain the reason for its infinity. How does thinking of a fool differ?
    The core of stupidity is swallowing everything that people feed you without chewing it. If you don’t question things, you are easily fooled and do stupid things. That’s not such a huge problem in individuals but when that becomes a norm shit hits the fan. It constantly disappoints me that people fall for the same mistakes all over again and never learn from the past mistakes. The history exists so we could look at it and see ‘’oh that doesn’t work, let’s try something else’’ but no, we keep repeating those mistakes like fools. We fall to vote for that half-witted populist again and again because he gives us easy solutions. He offers us the answers and we don’t have think for ourselves.

    A fool accepts any explanation, the simpler the better.


    4. Truth, half-truth and lie: where is the borderline between these concepts? Are "pure" states possible, and how can collection of true facts turn into lies?
    I don’t think we can ever reach the absolute truth. Our perceptions of the world are always distorted so it’s impossible to capture the true essence of anything. What we generally refer as a truth is something that comes close to how things actually are. Half-truth is modified by the speaker so that it made them sound better to the listener or that it made it easier to comprehend. Lying is saying things that are not truth. A lie contradicts the way things actually are.

    Collections of true facts easily turn into lies if you take them off the context or state them without explaining the reasons. For example if you claim that science tortures and kills mice and leave out the reasons, it might appear that science is evil. Obviously people wouldn’t believe you if you claimed ‘’Science is evil’’ but the words ‘’science tortures and kills mice’’ are a half-true that lead you to think that science is evil, which is a lie.

    5. Ideas do not have to be correct in order to be good. What's your attitude towards this statement?
    I agree with this statement. Good ideas have potential and an idea that is not yet correct can be shaped until it works. Or sometimes it just requires a change of framework. What doesn’t work in this thing, can work in some other thing.

    Incorrect ideas can be entertaining, too. Humorous approach is really rarely bad approach.


    1. How people change? How do you feel about those changes? Can others see the changes?
    I guess this question refers to people as individuals, so I’ll answer based on that presumption. Life changes us. It’s inevitable but sometimes sad. Overall change is good. It would be terrifying if even the individuals would never change. Not all the changes can be seen by others. They are internal and only emerge in certain situations when others are not there to see.


    2. What is time? How do you feel time? Can you waste time?

    Time is a construct that we have created so it would be easier to comprehend why things are falling apart when they get old enough. It makes it easier for us to set up a meeting because it answers the question ‘’when?’’ It makes it possible for society to function the way it does. To me the time feels sometimes a bit artificial and irrelevant. In a larger scale it is more interesting. I’m not interested in how many cheeseburgers can you eat in a day, but rather how many lifetimes it takes for an imperium to be born and destroyed.


    3. Do you need help creating forecasts and determining how something will end? Do you trust those forecasts?
    I am able to determine the most likely outcome but I tend not to think about this kind of things because they are mostly upsetting.


    4. Are you normally late? How do you react if someone is late?
    If I know that it doesn’t matter that I’m late I usually am. If I know that me being late upsets somebody, I’m usually on time. Why hurry if there’s no reason to do so? I don’t mind if other people are late.


    5. Tell us your thoughts on the topic of "Influence of fortune on my life."

    I don’t think about this sort of things often. I might sometimes ponder the possibilities where’d I be at if something hadn’t happened to me or I hadn’t met certain people in certain time of my life. I’m not that sure if I even believe in fortune.

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    I understand you people probably have more interesting things to do than read these questionnaires. Anyway, I thought I could push this thread up a bit because I'm on holiday this week and that means I have lots of time to answer your possible questions.

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    From a quick look-through - Ne ego type, I think. Probably Ne base. Will try to get back and give it a proper reading a bit later.
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    My impression after reading it was ILE, maybe LII. (So I agree with August on Ne-ego)
    As for Enneagram, I was thinking either Seven or Five.
    Good luck finding your type! :)
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    @To_august You mentioned that you'd try to take a closer look a bit later. It's been a month now, so I figured that you either forgot or didn't have the energy. Am I right? Anyway, it's fine. Just let me know if you're going to do this or not, okay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ondes Martenot View Post
    @To_august You mentioned that you'd try to take a closer look a bit later. It's been a month now, so I figured that you either forgot or didn't have the energy. Am I right? Anyway, it's fine. Just let me know if you're going to do this or not, okay?
    My apologies. I forgot about you.

    Don't have the energy to break down questionnaire into proper analysis, but I think it's pretty clear that you're Ne valuing = Ni devaluing type. There's been Ni to Ne transfers in the questionnaire, and both seem strong since they lack 1D/2D rigidity. I was thinking Fi>Fe, as you were expressing fluid approach to Fi standards and lack of propensity in evaluation of Ti, but I'm not entirely confident on the latter. Don't have anything else to add atm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by To_august View Post
    My apologies. I forgot about you.

    Don't have the energy to break down questionnaire into proper analysis, but I think it's pretty clear that you're Ne valuing = Ni devaluing type. There's been Ni to Ne transfers in the questionnaire, and both seem strong since they lack 1D/2D rigidity. I was thinking Fi>Fe, as you were expressing fluid approach to Fi standards and lack of propensity in evaluation of Ti, but I'm not entirely confident on the latter. Don't have anything else to add atm.
    I actually quite enjoyed answering those Ti questions but I was a bit tired already at that point so I didn't spend as much time with that part than the rest of the questionnaire. I remember filling Te, Ti, Se and Si on different day than Fi, Fe, Ne and Ni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ondes Martenot View Post
    I actually quite enjoyed answering those Ti questions but I was a bit tired already at that point so I didn't spend as much time with that part than the rest of the questionnaire. I remember filling Te, Ti, Se and Si on different day than Fi, Fe, Ne and Ni.
    I meant these parts in particular:
    2. What does "logical" mean? What is your understanding? Do you think that it correlates with the common view? Is it is easy for you to be logical?
    One thing leads to another in a way that can be predicted if their connection is properly understood. My understanding is born as I watch and listen the world around me or read about it. There are certain patterns to notice that help me understand. I donít really know what is the common view of understanding. Iím not always the most logical person in the room, but Iíd say that I spot the errors in logic relatively easily.
    ^ Not knowing the common view suggests ether lower dimensionality or vital function (vital functions are those located in Super-id and Id blocks. For example, for an ILE these are Fe/Si and Te/Ni).
    There's also a possibility that you simply didn't care to flash out the question in greater detail, so maybe you do know the common view, but didn't felt like thinking the question through and spend time explaining your pov.

    5. Do you frequently feel the need to structure information? For what purpose? How do people usually do it? How do you do it? I think I structure it all the time. Structure makes information easier to comprehend. I donít know how people usually do it, I think I could actually look into that since it soudns intresting.
    ^ Same as above.

    You can compare those to the answers below:
    4. What does moral mean? What is immoral? How do you understand these terms and does your understanding correlate with the others? How can you evaluate the correctness of your own understanding?
    Moral is knowing how to separate good and bad from each other. Immoral is bad. For example hurting someone for no reason is immoral. I think my understanding of these terms does correlate with otherís understanding as well. I guess my evaluation of my own understanding is always flawed no matter what. I think we just have to accept that our understanding is subjective and we might make mistakes. Iím not saying that we should abandon evaluation completely. Iím saying that we canít completely trust in our abilities to do the right thing. Thatís why discussion is important. It allows us to compare our views of whatís wrong and whatís right.
    ^No problems here with evaluation of how well your understanding correlates with that of other people, plus going beyond the norms and demonstrating flexible approach to standards.

    3. Are there any standards of behavior or interpersonal relationships in the society? If so, do you adhere to them? Do people always have to maintain them? Why?
    Yeah, there are plenty of them. I try to act according to them so that I wouldnít hurt anybodyís feelings and to avoid confusion. Iím pretty tolerant to other people breaking these standards, though. I donít see any reason why these standards could not be changed if needed.
    ^ Another sign of having awareness and, as in previous excerpt, transcending normative rigidity and showing inclination to use Fi creatively.
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    @To_august I think I see what you mean. It's possible I didn't really think those Ti questions throught but I can't really say because I don't remember anymore. I also find it challenging to determine how strong my Fi actually is. Based on questionnares people say it seems strong but as I read the PoLR descriptions, the ones that I relate to the most are Fi and Si.


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