Si or Ni? What i'm using more?

Hi, i'm having some doubts as wheter i might use more Si or more Ni.


I'm going to tell you about some situations, and i hope you might be able to tell, from there, what i'm using more:




1)I'm writing some lines about some things i know, or i remember, or i might have studied in the past.
Probably there's some kind of scheme inside me, i mean if i remember something then that something would lead me to another something, and so on...that's how i remember things.
But each time i remember something, that scheme must be rebuilt...it doesn't seem to be very rigid.


I've read a thread that says that Ni relies on the past as well, but while Si organized datas in a kind of “library”, Ni is more flexible, and works like a browser spider.


My own impression is that i'm working more like a browser, estabilishing links on the moment..but i might be mistaken.






2)Going to a restaurant.
Let's rule out any “whim phase” (e.g. At a given moment i feel i want pizza, and i will go eating pizza, unless the other possibilities are more convincing – but they really have to be!).


In general, if i were to decide about wheter to go on a new or an old place, i'd like to know what both of them do, and then i'd choose.I'm not for going in an old place because it is the place i know, but if the old place does a dish i like, and the new doesn't, i'd probably prefer going to the old place.


I'd also prefer ordering food i know as a general rule – partially out of traditionalism, but mostly because i wouldn't like to waste my money.


However, i'm also fairly open to new dishes and new stuff...i mean, i know some people who are very much for eating what they usually eat, and dislike trying something new, i've tried going out with them, and their interest as far as food goes were far more limited than mine...so i think i'm not that traditionalist in the end.








3)Remembering the past – details.
I'd say that i don't remember too much of the past – but the few things i remember, i remember vividly.But those vivid images are rather blurry and not precise, mostly remembering only a striking feature, and not the whole picture, and especially not it's details.






4)History.
I enjoy reading about it, though my interest is more motivated by finding the patterns, and how and why things evolved in a certain way.
In another thread that was aimed at explaining cognitive functions, there was an example about a cake.It went (hope to remember it correctly) somehow like that:


Ne:What if we put almonds in the cake next time?
Si:Oh no, the last time we tried to do so the result was horrible!
Ni:Cakes...during eighteenth century they were eated as part of a meal, now we eat them as a dessert at the end of it, how and when will they be eaten in the future?


While thinking about history, or about the present situation, i often think in a way that's more similar to the one of the “Ni” in the example i've mentioned.






5)A-ha moments.
Sometimes i have “a-ha” moments, where i combine past datas and images – especially in dreams – and the result is that those past images changes their meaning or, more frequently, creates something with a completely new meaning.

It does happen fairly often, and it looks like it's one of my favourite ways to overcome problems, if they're not strictly pratical ones.
I also have some deja-vu moments, but i don't experience them now as much as i've used to.




Oh i'm afraid this is rather long-winded and confusing post – i tried my best to write this in a decent way, but i think i wasn't really successful :( - but sometimes the things i've mentioned were a bit difficult to describe and recall even for me...well, hope you can understand it anyway.


Thanks for your attention, and feel free to ask questions if you need :).

INTP here...

"Cakes in 18th century..." sounds like Ne coming up with aux. related fact/info.

Both Ne/Ni can provide Aha! moments. It just depends on how aware you are of them.

Ne is tied to external environment. It prefers to interpret in the moment what it observes on the surface.
Works with Si "library" to relate to past experiences and Ne "librarian" to tie into current context.

Ni doesn't require external data and can generate the most likely outcome based on past experiences/info.
Se is observes on the surface to be aware of current context (through direct senses) and can react/improvise accordingly with Ni support.


Ne random fact: Se/Ne can both feel very reactionary and automatic when unchained... both can leave you surprised after a situation "plays out," except Se is more tactical and Ne is more strategic.


Easiest way to figure yourself out:
Figure out which type of Sensing you have, either Se or Si.
Whichever it may be, you can automatically deduce your N style.

This chart helped me ALOT:
Jungian Functions at a Glance » CelebrityTypes.com | BETA


Hope this all helps...

I think you are not primarily either, but are Ne.

I enjoy reading about it, though my interest is more motivated by finding the patterns

Finding the patterns. This is extroverted intuition; you see patterns as something that exist externally and you find them.

take this with a grain of salt. i may be crazy... i've never really seen or heard of anyone who thinks they're Ni-dom/aux talk about the subjective images we are supposed to get, and how we interpret them. i'm still unsure whether this is Ne or Ni (mainly due to what i see as Ti being over-amped by 6ish nature).

anyhow:

i don't know if i can really call it an image. it's like you see something, but if you were to focus on it, it would disperse and lose its meaning. really, i believe it all begins as a very strong notion, and then an image coalesces immediately. the image itself, again, doesn't mean a whole lot by itself, and it wouldn't mean anything to someone who's not you. if you were to question yourself as to what is in/what is the image, you could say "well, that blurred, peach-colored streak seems to be a guardrail because it's encompassing something, retaining something" and from there you could unravel why this image meant what it did to you.

an example: (i can vaguely remember this scenario, so i can only give a gist of what happened, how i interpreted it, and from there, how the nonsensical image helped me to understand something.)

i was stumped--not sure what about--and an image of a valley in a background with two cliffs facing each other on either side framing the image in the foreground. this wasn't a fully-fledged picture with a ton of detail, in fact, it probably wouldn't even have looked that way to anyone else--more like interpreting an abstract painting, than viewing a realistic one. from there, i saw, or had the notion that everything was moving from one side to the other across the gulf of the cliffs, and from that notion, i realized that in order to think about/view this problem in a way that would allow me to solve it, i would have to do the equivalent with my thoughts--moving them all to side, either that or realizing that my thinking was unbalanced. even here, i'm sure this wouldn't make sense to someone who didn't experience it, and sounds ridiculous, but it is something that i've learned trust, and it doesn't always manifest itself in what i'd call an image (unless that is just a poor way of giving a name to what's going on--a best-fit label).

another example would be when i'm trying to prove a point, debate, or argue. i realize that i can say something one way and have it scorned or ignored, or i can present or guide the argument in a way that allows the other to effectively see my side. my girlfriend and i were arguing and i had a sense of a bunch of matter coming apart being and then being sectioned off with "rope", from there the rope rearranged the matter so that it formed many pieces leading to the rope with the a much smaller piece on the opposite side. this let me know the problem: i was starting with all the offshoots of the argument which can go on indefinitely and lead further and further away from the core of the argument and obscure the problem at hand, or i could start with that "piece of matter that was singled out"--the result--present it, let her take a stance against it, and then pick the "matter of many on the opposite side", to combat her stance and allow it to come back to my original result--kind of like leaving no room for the other person other than to say something that would further your own point by setting up a parameter that encases the situation and everything that can be argued would fall into and be connected by those two points (not that this always works, but it's the aim).

maybe Ni, or any introverted function is having a way of viewing something that only makes sense to the individual, and upon the individual making subjective sense of the "whatever" they can then realize that what they think and what the other person thought are the exact same thing, just veiled behind routes that initially obscured the meaning...?

side note: it's also hard for me to distinguish between Ni and Ne after a certain point (again, most likely due to being a 6 and over-thinking everything to the point at which it no longer has a point). just keep in mind that everyone can most likely mimic a function through use of the function that they have, but what's important to think about it is not what you can do, as in "is it possible", but what is most natural--what happens without you attempting, or forcing.

Thank you all!

@Agent Blackout, your post helped me in seeing things more clearly.The link you provided didn't help me much, though, probably because my S function suck...so i couldn't really have a clear idea of which one i was using.
I then went looking the two intuitions, and while i could relate to parts of both, i could relate a bit more to Ni than Ne, and more to the Esher's paint than to the magician pulling out the rabbit from his hat.

@Owfin, thanks for your insight.I actually horribly misworded that part, what i wanted to mean there is that i'd like to understand how all the things are linked together...which i expressed as finding patterns, but it's not really like that, now that i think about it.

@celticstained:thank you!

I can really relate to the images you've offered as an example, and they somehow look more Ni than Ne to me...
If they're Ni, they're probably come out the most naturally to me, so in the end i might use Ni, and mimic Ne...

Originally Posted by Black light thinker

Thank you all!

@Agent Blackout, your post helped me in seeing things more clearly.The link you provided didn't help me much, though, probably because my S function suck...so i couldn't really have a clear idea of which one i was using.
I then went looking the two intuitions, and while i could relate to parts of both, i could relate a bit more to Ni than Ne, and more to the Esher's paint than to the magician pulling out the rabbit from his hat.

@Owfin, thanks for your insight.I actually horribly misworded that part, what i wanted to mean there is that i'd like to understand how all the things are linked together...which i expressed as finding patterns, but it's not really like that, now that i think about it.

@celticstained:thank you!

I can really relate to the images you've offered as an example, and they somehow look more Ni than Ne to me...
If they're Ni, they're probably come out the most naturally to me, so in the end i might use Ni, and mimic Ne...

on the mimic-ing of Ne:

you see this is where a lot of my confusion comes in. since i am a 6, and i do believe that i have Ti somewhere my makeup, i tend to over-analyze. because of this, and the nature of Ti, of using it to figure out a problem, you may have to set up parameters, and run "mini-tests" to test what you're thinking, although, to set up the "mini-tests" you begin to enter into an action that looks very similar to Ti+Ne. on the flip-side, if you're encountering a problem that doesn't call for that action, then you may react differently to, or go about solving the situation in a different manner. so in the end, i just say, go with what you find yourself doing when you're not stressed, and you're not forcing anything--and then pay attention to your what's going on in your head.

You definitely have Si, IMO.

However, I could see you being Ne/Si rather than Si/Ne, which seems unlikely.

You seem to have Si like someone who has it in the tertiary or maybe inferior.

Originally Posted by celticstained

so in the end, i just say, go with what you find yourself doing when you're not stressed, and you're not forcing anything--and then pay attention to your what's going on in your head.

Wise advice.I will try to follow it, then eventually repost there :).

Originally Posted by fourtines

You definitely have Si, IMO.
However, I could see you being Ne/Si rather than Si/Ne, which seems unlikely.
You seem to have Si like someone who has it in the tertiary or maybe inferior.

Yeah, this might be true...may I ask how inferior functions works, and how we are aware of the shadow functions (that is, the bottom four? ).

How does the person possessing them perceives them? Can he-she understand how they work without difficulty? or not?

Maybe that might help me as well...

i want to say kersiey wrote some things like that--as in you may see a certain function in a certain way due to the position you have it in, and this may or may not be a positive view.

you could also look at how the inferior comes into play. but before we can do that we'd have to know what your dominant is. although, we may be able to discern your dominant through giving you explanations of inferior manifestations and seeing if you can identify with them or not.

if you were Ne-dom, your inferior would be Si. Si-grip would be something like, being overly rigid, nit-picky about every little detail, all in all negative (not saying you couldn't experience your inferior in a positive light).

Ni-dom: inferior would be Se. i've heard that Se-grip would make you more prone to action just in a very "unsophisticated" or "un-socialized" manner...? you could become violent...? to me, i just feel "naked" in a mental way, exposed, waayyy to aware of my surroundings--sort of like if you were to drink way to much coffee--not a good feeling. (you may want to cross reference some of that).

Terms & Theory

the above link has to do with kersiey. some people hate him, others really like him, i have no idea, never read any of his stuff. just throwing the link out there because you mentioned how one might view a function in relation to their own "make-up".

hope this helps :P.

Originally Posted by celticstained

If you were Ne-dom, your inferior would be Si. Si-grip would be something like, being overly rigid, nit-picky about every little detail, all in all negative (not saying you couldn't experience your inferior in a positive light).

It is good to note that this "nitpickiness" is internal. A Ne dominant running in a Si-grip will attempt (poorly) to dissect every isty-bisty little bit of a situation to attempt (poorly) to figure out what is really going on.