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    I've sort of done this with food and sedatives in the past. I relied heavily on sedatives too much to escape from the anxiety and to feel. I used to be a stress eater and have always went for food that I found tasted real good over food that's good for me. I steered clear of sex and illegal drugs. Drinking I was told not to do for medicine reasons but one doctor said I had an addictive personality so I shouldn't risk drinking anyway. The rest I can see a bit.
    I have never been impulsive and do not have an addictive personality. I know that Se is connected to impulse and external sensory stimulus/addictive trait.

    Under extreme stress, fatigue or illness, the INFJ's shadow may appear - a negative form of ESTP. Example characteristics are acting very impulsively, making decisions without thinking them through, and doing things to excess - e.g.: eating, drinking or exercising. You may also be uncharacteristically critical of others, finding fault with almost everything, and being preoccupied about unimportant details. You may end up doing things that have no meaning for you, acting in a very materialistic and selfish way, cutting corners, breaking the rules, and going against your own deeply-held values. The shadow is part of the unconscious that is often visible to others, onto whom the shadow is projected. An INFJ may therefore readily see these faults in others without recognizing it in him/her self.

    From: INFJs and stress

    How the types act when stressed:

    MB types and how they deal with stress and... - Confessions of a Myers Briggs-aholic

    can see both inferior Ne and Se descriptions but this stuck out:

    We both like helping our friends and making sure they feel good, but I usually do it in the form of listening and giving advice
    So it sounds like you are closer to being INFJ than ISFJ.


    I have this weird ability of just knowing what to say to people. I find this odd since I zone out 60% of the time. I tend to people emotionally rather than baking, making sure their physical needs are met. I almost wonder if this is why I love brainstorming. It's the connection. Hmm..

    Fe users are good with manipulation, right? Emotional manipulation?
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    The feeling types generally know what to say. But strong Fe users are the best at emotionally manipulating others. This is because they feel what others feel, so then they know exactly what the other person wants to hear. Think of how cult leaders brainwash people...and how easily they can turn people. This is because strong Fe users know what the other person is feeling without having to put themselves in their shoes first or asking them what they feel. So then they tell them what they want to hear-emotional manipulation. Pretty much all of the cult leaders were unhealthy strong Fe users.
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    I may redo the first test tonight or tomorrow when I'm more alert. I got out of the ER about 3 hours ago so I'm in less pain now. One of my illnesses caused some pressure on my bladder and kidneys. I couldn't get any sleep but I'm better now. I did chuckle a bit because it all happened because of how unaware I was about the illness getting worse. Anyways I am looking into the Fe more. I'm not saying I'm not infp but infj are more cautious but still remain in their heads, right? I still feel I don't see the abstract but that might just be me thinking that.

    This did hit close to home: You may also be uncharacteristically critical of others, finding fault with almost everything, and being preoccupied about unimportant details.

    I was putting the nurses at ease today even though I was the one suffering. I'm noticing a pattern of this. That's Fe, right?

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    I may redo the first test tonight or tomorrow when I'm more alert. I got out of the ER about 3 hours ago so I'm in less pain now. One of my illnesses caused some pressure on my bladder and kidneys. I couldn't get any sleep but I'm better now. I did chuckle a bit because it all happened because of how unaware I was about the illness getting worse. Anyways I am looking into the Fe more. I'm not saying I'm not infp but infj are more cautious but still remain in their heads, right? I still feel I don't see the abstract but that might just be me thinking that.
    Ok. I am sorry to hear about that. As a dominant Si user I am very aware of when I am getting sick. Yes, I would say INFJ's are a bit more cautious than INFP's unless they are using their Se of course. All introverts remain in their heads.

    This did hit close to home: You may also be uncharacteristically critical of others, finding fault with almost everything, and being preoccupied about unimportant details.

    I was putting the nurses at ease today even though I was the one suffering. I'm noticing a pattern of this. That's Fe, right?
    Yes, that is probably Fe. But if you were feeling what the nurse is feeling first that is Fe. If you put yourself in the nurse's shoes first then that is Fi.
    Last edited by Kitty23; 02-16-2016 at 05:38 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitty23 View Post

    Yes, that is probably Fe. But if you were feeling what the nurse is feeling that is Fe. If you put yourself in the nurse's shoes first then that is Fi.
    It's actually something that bugs me because I'm thinking if there was ever a time to take it easy and shut up it's in medical situations but nope I'm witty and cheerful to the nurses. I don't know why. I wonder if I do it so I'm not a problem patient, like they have to do so much already. I used to be painfully shy so I don't know when this started but it did.

    Thanks for spending so much time helping me.

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    It's actually something that bugs me because I'm thinking if there was ever a time to take it easy and shut up it's in medical situations but nope I'm witty and cheerful to the nurses. I don't know why. I wonder if I do it so I'm not a problem patient, like they have to do so much already. I used to be painfully shy so I don't know when this started but it did.

    Thanks for spending so much time helping me.
    Hmm...if how you don't know why you do this it could indicate Fe over Fi. Fe users first feel what others feel. They also need to talk about their feelings with others in order to know what they are actually feeling themselves, unlike Fi users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitty23 View Post
    Hmm...if how you don't know why you do this it could indicate Fe over Fi. Fe users first feel what others feel. They also need to talk about their feelings with others in order to know what they are actually feeling themselves, unlike Fi users.

    You're welcome :)
    I'm Fe. There were so many awkward AHA moments.

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    I'm Fe. There were so many awkward AHA moments
    XD awesome!

    ISFJ vs INFJ:

    "The ISFJ’s first function is Si. This means they pull from experiences, memories, and past details and using these to compare to present experiences and obstacles. They are fairly conservative in their interactions with the outside world as compared to a Se user, and are more focused on details than material experiences and sensation. They are well attuned to their own physical state of wellbeing. They dislike change and prefer to preserve tradition and keep things the way they have always been.

    The INFJ’s primary function is Ni. This function looks for connections and meaning, looking to converge on a single truth. They seek out patterns in the world, picking up subconscious feelings and information and synthesizing them. They see the symbolism behind things and seek out deeper truth than what is present on the surface. Even when they don’t have sufficient proof to back up their claims, they may just “feel” like something is true or right.

    Both types then have Fe as their auxiliary function. They are interested in how other people are feeling, good at empathizing and caring when other people are hurt, and sometimes confused about how they feel unless they talk to other people about it. These two types are sometimes seen as “extroverted introverts” since their Fe makes them interested in cultivating their relationships with close friends. They are both very willing to help those around them and care about how they are doing. Although they may be more reserved about expressing their emotions than an extrovert, they like to discuss how they are feeling with others, and don’t like to process their emotions by themselves.

    Both types then have Ti as their tertiary function. They are interested in theories, information for the sake of learning, and playing with ideas inside their heads. In a situation, they can identify logical flaws, analyze, and play with ideas. It hones their judgements, bringing facts and logic to their beliefs about things. If underdeveloped, both types may not feel comfortable using their Ti when it conflicts with what they have already decided through their Si/Ni/Fe.

    The ISFJ’s inferior function is Ne. The inferior function can have unexpected influences on personality. Usually they will be uncomfortable with this function and may avoid using it as much as they can. However, especially in times of stress, we can become overly indulgent and obsessive with our inferior functions. Generally, ISFJ’s may have trouble seeing different possibilities than the beliefs and path they are focused on. During times of stress, ISFJ’s may reject their life of routine and be completely caught up in the idea of possibilities.

    The INFJ’s inferior function is Se. This means that in general, INFJ’s are uncomfortable interacting with the outer world. They may go through life in a dreamlike state, finding it difficult to feel that they are really existing in the here and now. When INFJ’s do employ their Se, it may be in an unhealthy way, overindulging in material sensations.

    My sister is actually an ISFJ and I’m an INFJ so here are some of the observations I’ve noticed between us. We seem extremely similar on the outside in terms of personality, but we have some very clear distinctions. She’s much more cautious than I am and hates change; I’m more open to new ideas and experiences. She’s more realistic; while I live in my head and can get swayed by my feelings and ideas, she’s much better than me at pulling me down to earth and grounding me with realistic advice. One example where I think our Ni/Si manifests is when we watch movies together; I’m much more interested in the underlying symbolism and greater themes that the movie is discussing, while she’s very good at following the intricacies of plot and is extremely good at recognizing actors from other movies (like weirdly good). We both like helping our friends and making sure they feel good, but I usually do it in the form of listening and giving advice, while she likes to do it through material things (such as baking cookies for the other person, tending to the other person’s needs and wants, watching a movie with the person, etc.)"

    Difference between ISFJ and INFJ:

    Am I an INFJ or an ISFJ

    Am I an INFJ? 3 ways to know if you're not:

    Am I an INFJ? 3 Ways to Know if You’re Not – INFJ Blog

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    We’d rather pull out our hair then focus on whether or not the laundry was done EXACTLY how it was done last week. Si is the thing that makes INFJ bang their head against the wall. (see why we’re so different now? if the idea of doing the laundry exactly the same every time makes you want to die inside, you are not an ISFJ.)

    That's me, even as a kid. To get me to do mundane chores I have to get creative otherwise I'm just annoyed or beg someone else to do it. Also why hasn't somebody invented something that makes it where reds won't bleed into the other colors and why didn't anyone in my life tell me this before I mixed them and got an interesting mixed colored wardrobe now? I can work the dishwasher slightly better than the washing machine. I really hate doing that stuff. I'm not good at it.

    The last one points to Si-Ne because of the brainstorming and sentimentality. I do wonder though if I was less insecure would I need to brainstorm? Only time will tell.

    I do care or at least respect traditions unless they are broken beyond repair.

    Ni is about knowing what is going to come next, knowing hidden meanings, understanding symbolic ideas, and trying to understand and unlock the truths of the universe.

    I don't know if I do this. I don't think I see hidden meanings. I need them pointed out. I do like having hidden meanings/symbols in my writing. I watched a David Bowie interview this morning to differ between NFJ and SFJ ( the SFJ was Taylor Swift). I was expecting to not understand what he was trying to say because I was told it showed him being abstract. Plus out of the two singers I expected to relate more to Swift considering how I dress and act. Bowie's fashion and art, I either loved or was confused by. Usually thought he was shock value, my huge mistake there. Always loved Nature Boy and Heroes but I'm drifting from the point. I understood and agreed with a lot that he said. People said he was being abstract about comparing the internet to an alien but I totally grasped that and do that.

    I can't describe physical pain well. If it's not sharp or cramping, I can't articulate it so I relate it something visual or creative. Well doctor it's like a 100 puppies bounced on my belly or use a scene out of a movie. I don't have the greatest vocabulary so I work with what I got. I have to get creative or I'm stuck with well I don't know what type of pain this is other than I'm in a lot of it.

    On Swift I do relate a lot to what she says, especially from her Fe. I view my Tumblr friends as family. I go above and beyond to be kind. It's almost a goal for me. What can I bring to the table? What are my gifts that can stand out? I'm creative and polite. So I use that like graphic makers use graphics and fanfiction writers use their writing. There's so much toxicity online that I will be the opposite. Of course that makes me feel sometimes that I'm being inauthentic which made me doubt my Fe but people have said I was just using my Fe too much.

    I do more of a 'but I usually do it in the form of listening and giving advice'. I also write them positive messages and use my creative skills to cheer them up. I'll write something or in the past when I drew I would make little things for them and I would sing for some to make them a little happier. But baking and housework - nooooo. I wish I could bake. It's creative and edible.

    I'm just really shocked at how much I connected with Bowie.

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    Interesting.

    Quotes by ISFJ celebrities:

    Famous ISFJs - CelebrityTypes.com

    Quotes by INFJ celebrities:

    Famous INFJs - CelebrityTypes.com
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