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I suspect INFJ or INTJ, but mostly INFJ. Can someone please explain the differences between the four types especially the INFJ and INTJ? Is it possible to be both?
Thank you.
first of all, welcome!Originally Posted by qwerty123
each type is more than just a simple letter change, but cognitive processes go with each type.
INFJ is Ni Fe.
INTJ is Ni Te.
ISTJ is Si Te.
ISFJ is Si Fe.
I only listed the top 2 processes. Fe is about connecting with others, and group harmony. Te is about using empirical logic and organizing information. Si is about comparing the past with what you currently see.
As an introvert, people will see what you extrovert, which will be the 2nd process, while an extrovert will show people their 1st process.
as I read somewhere before, someone once said that INTJ is like an INFJ without all the "feeling".
Also, saying the same thing as Phantom said. I'll quote myself in another thread.
Let me explain. The tests are a simple way that we can reach a type, but the binary nature of the dimensions of the tests tend to lead people to believe that the 'change in type' is a possible, or even normal thing to happen.
As you know, the MBTI was based on Jung's work. Jung observed people, and noticed eight distinct personalities, eight distinct tendencies that he could use to differentiate people. Out of these eight, he noticed that there were people moved by their perpections (That is, they were prone to be guided by Sensations or Intuition) and there were people moved by their judgments (That is, they were guided by their Feelings or Thoughts).
As you can see, Intuition, Sensing, Thinking and Feelings only make up for preferences. How in the heck did Jung arrived at the eight personalities? The answer is that Jung noticed that they used this preferences within a given attitude, that is, they could use either of these preferences inward (in a introverted way) or outward (In a extroverted way).
So, we have eight of these personal preferences: Extroverted Thinking and Feeling (Te and Fe), Extroverted Intuition and Sensing (Ne and Se), Introverted Thinking and Feeling (Ti and Fi) and Introverted Intuition and Sensing (Ni and Si).
Later, Myers-Briggs started working based on Jung's theories, and affirmed that every perception function should be coupled with a judgment function of opposing attitude and vice versa. With this, we now had 16 types. And these types used two preferences. When it was on Jung terms, he could call a person a Extroverted Thinker, for example. But with MBTI, Extroverted Thinker wasn't a very good measure, and we started using the four letter code.
Here's how it's formed. Every type uses two preferences as their favorites. They're a judgment function and a perception function of opposing attitude.
Let's take for example that Fi and Ne are the top two preferences. If the Introverted feeling was the preferred, we would know that this person is a introvert. If the Extroverted Intuition was the preferred, we would call that person a extrovert.
With this, we have our first letter in the four letter code. Looking for the favorite preference attitude, we can determine if a person is extrovert or introvert.
The two letters in the middle just represent the type favorite preferences. With Fi-Ne, the type preference is Feeling and Intuition. So, we now have 3 letters out of our four letter code. The two middle letters are formed by the own favorite preferences of the type.
Finally, the last letter of the four letter code is determined by seeing which of these preferences is used to deal with the world, that is, which one of them is extroverted. With Fi-Ne, Ne is the extroverted preference. And Intuition is a perceiving preference. If it happened to be thinking or feeling (Te/Fe) it would be a judging preference. That is the Judging vs perceiving axis.
So, we have a four letter code: INFP.
In the very core, what forms a type are the so called functions, the psychological preferences that Jung had noticed being displayed with a given attitude to the world.
That's why there's no such thing as a spectrum of the MBTI. There's no 50% or type change. There's no X letters forming a type, just a person being confused.
If you had to change letters, you would have to change your natural tendencies towards some functions. However, these functions are wired in our psyche. It affects how we feel about other people, other subjects and experiences. So, if you changed type, you'd have to change a lot of things in your own mind - and that's not happening at all.
Finally, you see that I've just mentioned two Functions as the backbone of a type. However, there's no thinking without feeling and no intuition without sensing, and we must counterbalance our favorite functions with opposing functions. So, to Fi, we'll have Te. To Ne, we'll have Si. That's why the four top functions of the INFP are Fi-Ne-Si-Te.
Now, to learn more about the functions, read on the following articles.
Intro to function theory + detailed descriptions of the eight functions
Explaining Fi to Ti types
Understanding the Archetypes involving the eight functions of type (Beebe model)
I hope it helps you.
Thank you for the information. I will have to reseach more, but my intuition tells me that I am a INFJ. I wish I were a INTJ because I would like to be more logical, smarter and original ect. but I guess that I have to accept myself. Apparently self doubt is a INFJ trait?
Ti is the tertiary function of the INFJs.
Given a tertiary function with a good strenght, it may lead you into being primarily logical, while you actually happen to be a feeler. As you read more on the subject, you'll be able to understand yourself better. But you should follow your hunches for now, and then try to prove them right or wrong.
Try answering to this questionnaire, so we can give you more feedback.
1) What aspect of your personality made you unsure of your type?
-To myself I seem very paradoxical and have many opposing yet strong characteristics.
2) What do you yearn for in life? Why?
-I want meaning, knowledge, significance and imperfect perfection.I believe that flaws are component of the ideal life and that we must struggle in a good way for things to be right. There is a good fight and a bad/hellish fight.
3) Think about a time where you felt like you were at your finest. Tell us what made you feel that way.
-When I was honestly accepted and liked, unique, contributing and was the underdog. I like being good at whatever I do and derive a sense of satisfaction from solving problems/making things right. Also when I had deep intense relationships and parts of me. When I was moral and felt idealistic and could do anything no matter what.When I was beating the system and the authority/the norm yet they still liked me.
4) What makes you feel inferior?
-Being/feeling stupid, ignored or patronized. I do not like being not recognized honestly and truthfully.Sometimes I feel like I am stumbling around relying on sense,intuition, emotion and not logic/realism/reality. I hate this out of control dreamy feeling but sometimes I feel like this when I am inspired?
5) What tends to weigh on your decisions? (Do you think about people, pro-cons, how you feel about it, etc.)
-The overall significance/meaning of it. The people involved.Intuition vs logic vs emotion.I care about what others think and yet I don't care what they think at all. Sometimes I feel strongly recklessly indifferent but extremely sensitive and people pleasing at the same time?
6) When working on a project what is normally your emphasis? Do you like to have control of the outcome?
-The result, and the perfection/beauty/learning/meaning of it is somewhat less important but still very important. I have to have complete control and know the parameters.
7) Describe us a time where you had a lot of fun. How is your memory of it?
-I do not know for sure. With familly and other people doing a skill/activity?
8) When you want to learn something new, what feels more natural for you? (Are you more prone to be hands on, to theorize, to memorize, etc)
-To go to the definitive source/knowledge/official/true base and understand it by reading and memorizing and creating more such definite things/projects/study guides internally or externally. I like to know constants and rules to apply whenever I need them. I like to know the absolute truth and all of it/why to feel like I am not just quoting 'facts." This is how I justify things and know they are true.
9) How organized do you to think of yourself as?
-I have a stong sense of time and space, no matter how disorganized I usually am.It is hard to explain.
10) How do you judge new ideas? You try to understand the principles behind it to see if they make sense or do you look for information that supports it?
-Does it fit with what I know and believe? Does it work? Is it inconventient/bad for me or anyone else?
11) You find harmony by making sure everyone is doing fine and belonging to a given group or by making sure that you follow what you believe and being yourself?
-I do whatever I want as long as it is not too innapropiate or rude/cruel. I am fiercely unapolegetic about my oddness. I am a reasonable, fairly nice/moral, intense, and helpful person and will do whatever it takes to do what I need to do to do what I think is right or makes me happy. Generally people think I am wierd but moral/helpful/nice. I can be rude and laugh at things no one else does. I do things out of context and laugh out of context and sometimes I may appear mean or rude but I do not care what others think as I love them and will do whatever I need to do.This all is another of my paradoxes.In sum: I do not care but I do care?
12) Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?
-I plan what to say and do not think/care about what I say? I speak before thinking just as much as I think before speaking. I prefer intense one on one conversations and very close group ones.
13) Do you jump into action right away or do you like to know where are you jumping before leaping? Does action speaks more than words?
-I do both.
14) It's Saturday. You're at home, and your favorite show is about to start. Your friends call you for a night out. What will you do?
-I would not go out, but it depends on what the activity is.
15) How do you act when you're stressed out?
-Rough with people, speaks even worse then usual, acts more odd then usual. More focus?
16) What makes you dislike the personalities of some people?
-Inauthenticity, lying in a unhonorable way, being obtuse to irritate, rude and amoral behaviour for no purpose, being difficult, vapidity.
17) Is there anything you really like talking about with other people?
-Religion, politics, beliefs, life, meaningful down the rabbit hole things that challenge our core.
18) What kind of things do pay the least attention to in your life
-Physical appearance.
19) How do your friends perceive you? What is wrong about their perception? ? What would your friends never say about your personality ?
-Odd, warm yet cold, stupid, indifferent, bipolar?, hysterically laughing for no purpose, out of context, moral,kind?
-I am not indifferent/too stupid?
-I am ammoral/easy to understand?
20) You got a whole day to do whatever you like. What kind of activities do you feel like doing?
-I do not know. Intellectual activty, museum, certain sports, making a difference, vollunteer, help.
Sorry this is all so rough and the grammar is inccorect.
I am percieved as a INTJ by some and a INFJ ish person by others? I generally look INTJ unless it is someone I know/trust/like very much. I am much to sensitive and paraniod. I think like a conspiracy theorist and percieve many ways something could go wrong/someone could get hurt. I see the ways something could occur. I can brainstorm many possibles? I procrastinate and am easily inspired/impractical. I do not like surreal/foggy things because it feels hellish and out of control yet I like the art of Van Gogh. I hate improportional figures/things in art because it is hellish. I like structure and order and parameters.I am somewhat insane/mental/neurotic and doubt reality yet I feel grounded in chaos?
-Spends hours fussing over something as trivial as a username/format.
-Hates ambigoiuty and indecisiveness. Expects rationality and politeness at least. Sees redundant things/pointlessness but can also be extremely inefficient. Is radical? Respects the system but wants to keep it on its edge respectfully.
Thank you
It is not possible to be both INFJ and INTJ at the same time. Take a look at their functional order:
INFJ: Ni-Fe-Ti-Se
INTJ: Ni-Te-Fi-Se
They use different sets of judging functions. INTJs use extraverted logic Te and are more logical in relation to their environment. They also use introverted feeling so they are more feeling on the inside. INFJs use extraverted feeling so they are more feeling in relation to their environment. They also use introverted logic so they are more logical on the inside.
I would recommend you read through this article Explaining Ti to Fi types to understand whether you use TeFi or FeTi as your judging function set.
Well sounds like a case of very strong overactive introverted intuition. You're probably seeing too many negative possibilities everywhere (how things cannot work). Though it is not very clear which tertiary function you use as back-up, but imho probably Fi. Excessive paranoia is attributed to strongly introverted INTJs who heavily fall on their Ni-Fi loop. Other side effect of strong introverted Ni-Ji that I've seen are heightened anxiety and broken sleep cycle.
FeTi prompts us to deal with ethics and morality collectively, according to a more generalized standard that we can all agree to be bound by, while dealing with logic and impersonal ideas in a more individualized and subjective way, seeking only to find what makes sense logically to the individual.
This is me except logically would also include emotionally/in terms of intuition.This means I am INFJ/ISFJ?
I am confused. I am overly anxious/easy to work up/cannot sleep/light sleeper so does this mean I am INTJ/ISTJ?Well sounds like a case of very strong overactive introverted intuition. You're probably seeing too many negative possibilities everywhere (how things cannot work). Though it is not very clear which tertiary function you use as back-up, but imho probably Fi. Excessive paranoia is attributed to strongly introverted INTJs who heavily fall on their Ni-Fi loop. Other side effect of strong introverted Ni-Ji that I've seen are heightened anxiety and broken sleep cycle.
Edit after more research: So I could be an INTJ using a 'tertiary loop"/my tertiary Fe as I have a naturally weak Ti? This could account for my IxFJ and IxTJ paradoxes and traits?
Thank you for the help.
I am not sure what you mean by "except logically would also include emotionally/in terms of intuition".
I'll try to explain TiFe/TeFi differences in another way. INFJs are self-critical as their critical logical function is introverted (Ti). Thus they judge their own competence based on their own individual scale. At the same time their perception is that "my own personal feelings about situation do not matter". Instead they track the feelings of other people and respond to them. For INTJs the opposite is true. They have perception that their feelings are their own and how they personally feel about a situation and what they personally value does matter. At the same time their critical logical function is extraverted (Te) so they judge others and themselves critically based on outside standards or in other words they see affirmation of their competence from the outside.
The more introverted IxxJs who use more of their dominant and tertiary introverted functions do have heightened anxiety in general (which leads to lighter sleep, being easy to rally up, insomnia, etc). It is just a generic symptom - it is not specific to INTJs but applicable to all highly introverted IxxJ personalities.
Well there are no IxFJ and IxTJ hybrids if you are implying that you might be one. You may have more trouble pinning your personality type down because it sounds like your personality is not balanced. Having personality disorders of any kind can interfere with typing of course, as then you would not behave like a typical 'member of your type' so to say.
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