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Old 03-03-2010, 01:08 PM   #11
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The differences mainly come down to the development. For tertiary Fe, ENTPs will develop it unconsciously during their teenage years, and begin to consciously recognize it during their early or late twenties, going into their thirties. Like with all tertiary functions, ENTPs may encounter a change within themselves during their teenage years, whether or not they realize it. As such, if one is a teenager and typed by the MBTI during those years, a mistype may be likely. When ENTPs do get a handle on their tertiary, however, because it is the first extroverted judging function they've had naturally, they may begin to have a new eye for the feelings and consideration of others. Whereas they may have been blunt in the past and even enjoyed playing devil's advocate, they may abstain from such behavior for its own sake.

Inferior Fe in INTPs develops differently, of course. For INTPs, since it is their inferior function, it is the least natural to them and the one they are least likely to develop in life in any natural way. Left to its own devices, the inferior emerges consciously around the 'mid-life crisis' range (late thirties to early forties, or around there). Before its development, INTPs may have come across too much as 'too into themselves' and overly selfish, focused on their own inner world and nothing else. If they've developed their tertiary Si beforehand, they'll likely also be a bit more grounded in life, using details and past experiences to fund their major perceiving function, Ne. After development of Fe, much like ENTPs, INTPs are more likely to become knowledgeable and considerate of others' feelings, naturally including them in their decision making where they might not have previously done.

All of this presupposes that the development of the functions are natural, though, which is not often the case.
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well ENFPs who are blokes often confuse themselves with ENTPs- it's a bit of a running theme. i also thought i was INFP during a bad time in my life, but there's no way. when im happy i jump around from person to person group to group socialising. we also become our shadow types when we feel stressed or uncomfortable, ISTJ, and become very critical of things.

we ENFPs are always discussing our different "masks" which struck me about your description. i seriously doubt you're an ENTP as you make value judgements rather than logical ones. i do the same thing.

bad track of time *tick*. im always abt 5mins late to everything when im on my own.

random laughing when on your own *tick*. i sometimes find stupid adverts hilarious, and i find the MOST random images funny if something causes me to imagine it..

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N- random imagination/quirky
F- value judgements/quirky
P- bad time keeping

just have a look around at the different threads in each type's forum, and see if you relate to the issues being discussed..
Where am I making value judgements?

And when are values illogical?


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The differences mainly come down to the development. For tertiary Fe, ENTPs will develop it unconsciously during their teenage years, and begin to consciously recognize it during their early or late twenties, going into their thirties. Like with all tertiary functions, ENTPs may encounter a change within themselves during their teenage years, whether or not they realize it. As such, if one is a teenager and typed by the MBTI during those years, a mistype may be likely. When ENTPs do get a handle on their tertiary, however, because it is the first extroverted judging function they've had naturally, they may begin to have a new eye for the feelings and consideration of others. Whereas they may have been blunt in the past and even enjoyed playing devil's advocate, they may abstain from such behavior for its own sake.

Inferior Fe in INTPs develops differently, of course. For INTPs, since it is their inferior function, it is the least natural to them and the one they are least likely to develop in life in any natural way. Left to its own devices, the inferior emerges consciously around the 'mid-life crisis' range (late thirties to early forties, or around there). Before its development, INTPs may have come across too much as 'too into themselves' and overly selfish, focused on their own inner world and nothing else. If they've developed their tertiary Si beforehand, they'll likely also be a bit more grounded in life, using details and past experiences to fund their major perceiving function, Ne. After development of Fe, much like ENTPs, INTPs are more likely to become knowledgeable and considerate of others' feelings, naturally including them in their decision making where they might not have previously done.

All of this presupposes that the development of the functions are natural, though, which is not often the case.
I had this idea that the differencies lie in how it is used, and when.

EDIT; The function I got the better grasp of in real life is Fe. And I am not even in my midtwenties yet. So I am definitly not a INTP with "normal" function development.
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When discussing a topic, or listening to a already ignited argument I have noticed that I almost always have atleast one differing perspective to what standpoint is being discussed. I don't voice illogical arguments in real life, but logical and "right" is not the same in my opinion.
you mean that you make arguments which aren't straight forward logic like some other ppl use, but are explainable (from your point of view). thinkers have said to me "but you JUST said that my point of view was logical.."- to them when you say something is a logical answer you're saying it IS right.

it's tough cos like i said ENFP males often find themselves using thinking a lot cos it's what most guys around them are using, and it's "masculine". however you could be an ENTP..

when you use a feeling function (sympathy/empathy) and engage in sympathising, dyu find yourself straight away feeling what it'd be like if it was you and relating to it (Fi), or dyu find yourself seeing and sensing the pain in the other person? someone with Fi can feel like they do the 2nd one when they're really doing more of the 1st one..
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you mean that you make arguments which aren't straight forward logic like some other ppl use, but are explainable (from your point of view). thinkers have said to me "but you JUST said that my point of view was logical.."- to them when you say something is a logical answer you're saying it IS right.

it's tough cos like i said ENFP males often find themselves using thinking a lot cos it's what most guys around them are using, and it's "masculine". however you could be an ENTP..

when you use a feeling function (sympathy/empathy) and engage in sympathising, dyu find yourself straight away feeling what it'd be like if it was you and relating to it (Fi), or dyu find yourself seeing and sensing the pain in the other person? someone with Fi can feel like they do the 2nd one when they're really doing more of the 1st one..
There is always atleast two sides of a coin. That is what I meant, most people don't see that in my experience.

Logic doesn't mean flawless. And one logic perspective, doesn't mean that opposite perspectives are illogical. But I see your point, and I am reading up the differences between ENTP and ENFP as I speak.

And when it comes to the feeling thingy, It is always 2nd first, and depending on what the issue is, 1st one aswell.

Does this make me more of an ENTP or ENFP in your eyes?
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