Figure Me Out Mk.II: The refiguring

alright, I'm going to make this as comprehensive, and hopefully as brief as possible.

my results to date have been varied, and all around confusing.





First off, my results from the last two mbti function tests I took

the PerC test

Your Cognitive Functions:
Introverted Intuition (Ni) |||||||||||||||||||||||| 11.255
Introverted Thinking (Ti) |||||||||||||||||||||||| 11.15
Extroverted Intuition (Ne) |||||||||||||||||||||||| 11.11
Extroverted Thinking (Te) ||||||||||||||||| 7.93
Introverted Feeling (Fi) ||||||| 2.71
Extroverted Sensation (Se) ||||| 1.57
Extroverted Feeling (Fe) ||| 0.98
Introverted Sensation (Si) || -1.46

Based on your cognitive functions, your type is most likely:
Most Likely: INTJ
or Second Possibility: INTP
or Third Possibility: ENTP




Your cognitive functions are, in order of development:
Ni - Ti - Ne - Te - Fi - Se - Fe - Si


and the KEYS II

extraverted Sensing (Se) ************************** (26)
average use
introverted Sensing (Si) *************** (15.5)
unused
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************************ (36.1)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ****************************** (30.7)
good use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ****************************** (30.6)
good use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ************************************* (37.1)
excellent use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************************** (26.6)
average use
introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************* (37)
excellent use





Trying a different questionnaire this time

0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

I'm a 22 year old male, current state of mind? erm... lightly caffeinated... pretty neutral at the moment

1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.



Autumn, everything is ever so slightly out of focus, or it's a filter, I can't tell, like it's a daydream or a good memory almost, lacking in detail but pleasant nevertheless, but I find the lack of clarity almost annoying, I'm curious as to where the road leads, I'm reminded of the smell of rotting leaves

2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?

am I driving in this scenario?, who am I kidding?, I'm always driving.

initial thought: fuck.

I don't want to be blamed for people missing this show

initial outward reaction: fuck.

check the car, see if I can figure it out
check for cell service if it's not fixable
if there is no service, hitch hike?

3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?

I probably want to be going home then, or maybe a quiet drink, but I doubt if after 2 hours of being jammed up against people in a noisy environment I'm going to be keen on putting myself back in that same situation.

I will likely sip a highball in the corner and fiddle with my phone unless someone talks to me

4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?

inward reaction: moron

outward reaction: I'd likely ask why they think what they do, after their explanation I'd likely just play with their answer in my head to try and understand it. If they insist on debating things I will be merciless, if they make good points I'll likely stew on them for some time, try and understand it from a few perspective.

5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?

like, going to a young earth creationist museum?

a mixture of anger for blatantly misrepresenting science, and laughing my ass off. I'd likely try to go to every exhibit and pinpoint all of the ways it is patently wrong. And get a picture with plastic Jesus of course.

6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?

Empiricism is the thing I value more than all others.

as a kid, I'd just absorb information like a sponge. As time went on, I learned the value of being able to assess the worth or validity of information, because of a lot of science advocates on PBS. :P

I would need to hear a very solidly reasonable argument against empiricism for me to reject it

of course, by virtue of doing so I would be acting in an empirical manner. lol


I generally don't have a lot of very strongly held beliefs, I'm receptive to change if a good enough argument can be made

7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? b) If you could change one thing about you personality, what would it be? Why?

a) I don't think I'm special, as much as I'd like to be, I don't really know what does distinguish me

b) More assertive and driven, because while I have aspirations I'm not very disciplined at trying to attain them

8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

I trust them most of the time, because generally when I second guess myself it means taking a right answer and making it a wrong one. Tests.

I also notice it while playing music, I don't have a comprehensive understanding of theory but I can still somehow manage to zero in on things correctly. I can figure out songs very quickly, an intuitive understanding of how music works I suppose.

9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

a) getting really caught up in a brainstorming session or joking with one or two really smart people. Playing guitars or listening to music, starting something. I enjoy the concept of "possibility"

b) Large scale social interaction/public speaking/trying to make small talk, I find it very, very difficult

10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?

I tend to mostly keep opinions on the inside, I try to dial down my desire to make ridiculously bad jokes about everything.










right, I'm giving this one last go, if it goes poorly, I'm sticking with "unknown personality" and washing my hands of the JCF



EDIT

I'll add my enneagram: 5w6, 1w2, 4w5

Those 2 don't actually really do JCF, but rather just MBTI cognitive functions.

You're name says NTP and your reaction to question 5 supports you being an NP type, lol.
You also seem more INTP

Originally Posted by Acerbusvenator

Those 2 don't actually really do JCF, but rather just MBTI cognitive functions.

You're name says NTP and your reaction to question 5 supports you being an NP type, lol.
You also seem more INTP

>_>

edited.

aaaand noted.


thanks.



I'd like to get as many different opinions as I can on this one.

Originally Posted by DarwinsBastard

I'd like to get as many different opinions as I can on this one.

Yep, I know what you mean.
That actually has to do with Ne

Originally Posted by Acerbusvenator

Yep, I know what you mean.
That actually has to do with Ne

all falls down if I don't get them though, haha

I see more Ni than Ne and more Se than Si.

What do you like more? INTJ or INTP? What's more appealing and why?

Originally Posted by Immerse

I see more Ni than Ne and more Se than Si.

What do you like more? INTJ or INTP? What's more appealing and why?

mm, I don't really fit a lot of the INTJ attributes, I'm not organized, I'm not driven, and I only like leading people when I feel there is nobody more competent around for the job. Then again, if I'm any type I'm not going to fit the description perfectly as I've had a lot of issue thus far.

I can definitely relate to the idea of INTPs liking to learn for its own sake, as opposed to having practical applications, but this is a trait common to all of the XNXP types.

I see the distinct possibility of Ti dominance, and I would consider you an INTP based on that (Ti with intuition).

Kind of noting this here for real analysis later.

Okay, I'm adding some more to this, I'll try the questionnaire by @LeaT


1. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.


okay, as above, 22 male, today is a conflicted day, dealing with relationship stuff.


2. Study these two images here and here. Which one do you prefer and why? How would you describe it?

The picture of the borealis, I like it because it makes me feel small, in a good way, puts things in a greater perspective.

plus I try to stay away from pastries at all costs XD


3. Please describe yourself as a person if you were to introduce yourself to someone else like in a cover letter. What kind of person are you and why?

I think if I had a better answer to this I wouldn't need a personality typing, lol, but I'll give it a shot. This isn't so much a cover letter, as I'll talk good and bad here.

Generally speaking, if I'm in a group of people I'm either the quietest person or the loudest. When I'm around strangers I do not like speaking, when in more familiar settings I'm very confident and outspoken, this has to do with both developing trust with someone, and unresolved anxiety problems. I'm generally if nothing else a hard worker in employment settings, I don't think I'm particularly good at hiding my disdain for some coworkers though. I don't really like small talk, I can handle it for about 30 seconds but then my store of common banalities is gone. I've never been late to a class or a job in my life, though I can be quite forgetful and do have a tendency to zone out. I think while not particularly warm or outgoing, I get along with most people providing they respect my need to have quiet. I can be very pragmatic when necessary. I'm very curious, and I learn as a hobby, so anything I do with my life will need to involve constant learning if I'm to be happy. I am a perfectionist, I do not settle for average.


I hope that works, it's not really a cover letter, but I always lie in cover letters so they wouldn't do any good here.


4. What kind of person would you LIKE to be? Why? What kind of person would you NOT want to be? Why?

I'd like to be assertive, and driven, and not a procrastinator, why? because I want to be better at setting goals and achieving them. I don't want to be the kind of person that works a labour job for the rest of my life, why? because I want to in some small way contribute to the sum of human knowledge with my life. I would also not want to be the kind of person who lets emotion and slavish attention to traditions get in the way of progress and greater understanding.

5. Do you think there are any differences to how you described yourself and how people actually perceive you? How do you think others would describe you? If there are any discrepancies between these two that are you are aware of; do you know why exactly that is?

Some people see me as a snob, because I'm quiet and generally don't take part in stupid jokes. Some people see me as being nicer than I actually am on the inside, I think I'm good at throwing up the veneer of affable guy when I have to, if for no other reason than avoiding an ultimately pointless discussion that I want no part of.

My friends see me as being smart, lazy, witty, musical, and quite often, grumpy and not fun

I think they give me far too much credit in the intelligence department, I wish I was smarter.

6. What in life do you find to be of importance? Why? If you are unsure you can always take the Value Test and post the results here. Do note that it helps if you narrow it down to 20 or ideally 10 values as suggested at stage 2.

1. Intelligence	(9 votes)
2. Curiosity	(9 votes)
3. Love	(7 votes)
4. Logic	(7 votes)
5. Intuition	(6 votes)
6. Learning	(6 votes)
7. Knowledge	(4 votes)
8. Wittiness	(4 votes)
9. Contentment	(2 votes)

10. Sensuality

(1 votes)

7. How do you react to new situations in your life? Can you describe an event in your life where you were in an unknown situation? How did you deal with it?

Living in a dorm for the first time, I read, listened to music, went for solitary walks, to escape having to deal with people I didn't know nor care to know


8. Please describe yourself when you are in a stressful situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.

I tend to procrastinate, or dissociate or generally attempt to avoid dealing with them

9. Please describe yourself when you are in an enjoyable situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.

when I'm enjoying myself I think I can be quite easy going and funny, whenever I'm at a small party with people I know well I'm like this. I also get a thrill when I know I am doing really well on a test, it sounds lame, but knowing I'm crushing the test gives me a rush.

10. Describe your relationship to socialization. How do you perceive one-on-one interaction? How do you perceive group interaction?

my relationship generally isn't a good one. Group interaction would depend on the group, in familiar settings I'm fine most of the time, foreign groups bring out a desire to escape -_-' One on one interactions are only good if I like who I'm talking to, if people are interesting and witty and smart, I love talking about things with them, if I dislike the person and feel they have little to offer nothing is worse than being forced to make small talk


11. Describe your relationship to society. What are the elements of it you hold important or unimportant (e.g. social norms, values, customs, traditions)? How do you see people as a whole?

I don't care much for tradition, and I think in general people pay way too much attention to social customs. You could say I don't care much for people as a whole, I don't think I believe in the basic good of humanity, and most people in the world do not see the world I do, for the most part, I couldn't care less for society.

12. Describe your relationship to authority. How do you perceive authority? What does it mean to you, and how do you deal with it?

It really depends on whether I feel their "authority" is reasonable or not. Generally if I feel a person is well suited and competent in a position of authority I'm fairly at ease. When I think someone is ill suited to it I can very from quietly dismissive to outright rude and vocally dismissive.

13. Describe your relationship to order and chaos. What do order and chaos mean to you? How do they manifest in your daily life?

I think I live on the precipice of both. I live in what is perceived as chaos, but I know where things are most of the time. I'm as ordered as I need to be to get by, but I enjoy the openness and freedom of chaos.

14. What is it that you fear in life? Why? How does this fear manifest to you both in how you think and how you act?

Failure, I'm not sure why, I have high expectations of myself, generally this will manifest itself as playing it safe, avoiding risks.

15. What is it that you desire in life? What do you strive to achieve? Why? Where do you think these drives and desires stem from or are inspired by?

Knowledge. Understanding. I don't know why, I've just always been driven to know things.

16. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?



answered above in other questionnaire

17. Why do you want to know your type? What type do you think you are? Why this/these type(s)? Is there a type that appeals to you, to your self-perception, that you would like to be? Why? If you know your enneagram, please post this here. If you have done any online function tests such as the
Keys2Cognition, it helps if you post these results here as well.

I want to know my type in the hope that knowing how I work will give me better insight to improve my shortcomings.

posted keysII and enneagram above

18. Finally, is there something else you find to be of importance you want to add about yourself you think might be of relevance when helping to type you?

I doubt the MBTI's validity in general, and yet I am trying to use it to improve myself. Strange no?

I shoot since you mentioned me.

Originally Posted by DarwinsBastard

alright, I'm going to make this as comprehensive, and hopefully as brief as possible.

my results to date have been varied, and all around confusing.



First off, my results from the last two mbti function tests I took

the PerC test

Your Cognitive Functions:
Introverted Intuition (Ni) |||||||||||||||||||||||| 11.255
Introverted Thinking (Ti) |||||||||||||||||||||||| 11.15
Extroverted Intuition (Ne) |||||||||||||||||||||||| 11.11
Extroverted Thinking (Te) ||||||||||||||||| 7.93
Introverted Feeling (Fi) ||||||| 2.71
Extroverted Sensation (Se) ||||| 1.57
Extroverted Feeling (Fe) ||| 0.98
Introverted Sensation (Si) || -1.46

Based on your cognitive functions, your type is most likely:
Most Likely: INTJ
or Second Possibility: INTP
or Third Possibility: ENTP




Your cognitive functions are, in order of development:
Ni - Ti - Ne - Te - Fi - Se - Fe - Si


and the KEYS II

extraverted Sensing (Se) ************************** (26)
average use
introverted Sensing (Si) *************** (15.5)
unused
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************************ (36.1)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ****************************** (30.7)
good use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ****************************** (30.6)
good use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ************************************* (37.1)
excellent use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************************** (26.6)
average use
introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************* (37)
excellent use

Hokai. What I get from these two is either INTP or ENTP. ENTP according to K2C and the PersC test. Why? Si is so clearly inferior and average use of Fe implies tertiary position.

Trying a different questionnaire this time

0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

I'm a 22 year old male, current state of mind? erm... lightly caffeinated... pretty neutral at the moment

1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.



Autumn, everything is ever so slightly out of focus, or it's a filter, I can't tell, like it's a daydream or a good memory almost, lacking in detail but pleasant nevertheless, but I find the lack of clarity almost annoying, I'm curious as to where the road leads, I'm reminded of the smell of rotting leaves

You go full force Ti but then move on with Si.

2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?

am I driving in this scenario?, who am I kidding?, I'm always driving.

initial thought: fuck.

I don't want to be blamed for people missing this show

initial outward reaction: fuck.

check the car, see if I can figure it out
check for cell service if it's not fixable
if there is no service, hitch hike?

I get more tertiary Fe here than inferior. Also, you actually check the car. Seems to imply Ne dom.

3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?

I probably want to be going home then, or maybe a quiet drink, but I doubt if after 2 hours of being jammed up against people in a noisy environment I'm going to be keen on putting myself back in that same situation.

I will likely sip a highball in the corner and fiddle with my phone unless someone talks to me

Hard say anything here. Sounds more intro but I don't think you actually are one.

4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?

inward reaction: moron

outward reaction: I'd likely ask why they think what they do, after their explanation I'd likely just play with their answer in my head to try and understand it. If they insist on debating things I will be merciless, if they make good points I'll likely stew on them for some time, try and understand it from a few perspective.

LOL. You're so NTP. I get more of an Ne dom feel here than Ti. You want to generate ideas, not analyze something into bits and pieces.

5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?

like, going to a young earth creationist museum?

a mixture of anger for blatantly misrepresenting science, and laughing my ass off. I'd likely try to go to every exhibit and pinpoint all of the ways it is patently wrong. And get a picture with plastic Jesus of course.

LOL. You sure are so Ne dom.

6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?

Empiricism is the thing I value more than all others.

as a kid, I'd just absorb information like a sponge. As time went on, I learned the value of being able to assess the worth or validity of information, because of a lot of science advocates on PBS. :P

I would need to hear a very solidly reasonable argument against empiricism for me to reject it

of course, by virtue of doing so I would be acting in an empirical manner. lol


I generally don't have a lot of very strongly held beliefs, I'm receptive to change if a good enough argument can be made

Still get Ne dom feeling here. Focus on ideas, not so much analysis.

7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? b) If you could change one thing about you personality, what would it be? Why?

a) I don't think I'm special, as much as I'd like to be, I don't really know what does distinguish me

b) More assertive and driven, because while I have aspirations I'm not very disciplined at trying to attain them

In a tertiary or inferior position in answer a), and we get perceiver from b).

8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

I trust them most of the time, because generally when I second guess myself it means taking a right answer and making it a wrong one. Tests.

I also notice it while playing music, I don't have a comprehensive understanding of theory but I can still somehow manage to zero in on things correctly. I can figure out songs very quickly, an intuitive understanding of how music works I suppose.

More focus on ideas.

9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

a) getting really caught up in a brainstorming session or joking with one or two really smart people. Playing guitars or listening to music, starting something. I enjoy the concept of "possibility"

b) Large scale social interaction/public speaking/trying to make small talk, I find it very, very difficult

Yeah, Ne dom.

10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?

I tend to mostly keep opinions on the inside, I try to dial down my desire to make ridiculously bad jokes about everything.

LOL. Ne dom.

right, I'm giving this one last go, if it goes poorly, I'm sticking with "unknown personality" and washing my hands of the JCF



EDIT

I'll add my enneagram: 5w6, 1w2, 4w5

Why are you even wondering that you're not an ENTP? <.< You're just very intro ENTP because of your enneagram, that's all. But Ne dom regardles. Ne is flowing out from your ears.