Possible Multiple Personality Types (ISTP, INTP, INTJ)

Hello,

Needless to say, I am new here.

I believe I may either be INTP or ISTP dominant with definite traits of INTJ, and incredibly minor traits of Fi. My inferior Fe (haha, wimps) remains unused though. I think my cognitive abilities are so well-rounded, that I may not be any definition on the MBTI scale except for IXTX, excluding the ISTJ "cold-hearted, traditional monster". I have taken some tests that show that I am INTX and others that suggest INTP and ISTP. But, this test, that I have completed in the image below, displays something else otherwise:

ompldr[dot]org/vZXI3Nw/cognition[dot]png

Sorry, because of the inane forum policies, I need 15 posts to post images and links. Just replace the [dot].

Here's what I believe to be true about myself:

Active: Si, Ne, Ni
Passive: Se, Si, Ni

Active: Te, Ti, Fi
Passive: Te, Ti, Fe, Fi

It is concerning that I have both Ti and Te abilities, which is disorienting, while I also now possess good Fi and Si ability.

I am also diagnosed with High-functioning Autism (HFA) or Autism Disorder, which has been. over time, treated by psychological professionals, and I've also taken computer and programming-related classes among things. And I have other scientific figures and influences that I've liked experiencing and doing things with.

So I think the reason for my passive Se function, is mainly because of my autism. Unlike the "typical" NT types, I am sensitive to smells and noises, which bother me, and, when appropriate, I may have to address my concerns.

I have an incredible aptitude and philosophy towards technology and computing, the sciences, graphical arts. I have also been converted into using only GNU/Linux and UNIX, and since the past few months, even though I had used Windows for 7 years since Windows 98 SE, I never looked back (especially now that I've seen Windows 8 *gag*). I love drawing artwork, but I also like Critiquing my own artwork, which is more ITJ-like behavior, but I still like to be perceptive about it. I perceive that it's important to perceive things, but I also think it is in our own civil nature to judge.

I highly believe that philosophy, reasoning and theorizing have strong purposes in exploring, experiencing, defining and living life. And that these discoveries in the science, engineering and technology fields will, in ways of people open to it, reshape, impose, redefine and improve the lives of society. There is no greater accomplishment or feeling than helping people whether you do it the introverted or extroverted way. Unfortunately, problems of money (economy), politics, non-fair trade and lack of universalism hinder advancement. The INTJ and INFJ want to understand people, the NTs want to innovate. But without the, down-to-earth realism, how can they be executed the way that STs do it?

The extravagant info above may be used for more of an introduction about myself, so I want to get to the point, which is that I want to be typed either accurately or theoretically to the MBTI. And I also want to start a discussion about whether there are any others here with complex and hard to define personalities.

The image above, from keys2cognition[dot]com, shows my Introverted and Extroverted, Sensing and Feeling, and Thinking and Feeling types, where Ni and Ti are the strongest. Which is very awkward since INTJ is very Ne oriented. And due to the fact that I have averages all of my Se functions, shows that I also desire paying attention to detail, and taking things apart. I also hate sports and consistent activity and argument, unlike the ISTP. I prefer order over chaos and rationalization like the INTJ, but sometimes I also feel lazy and disorientated into thought like the INTP.

For example, things that I dislike about most of the types are:
ISTP -- Argues irrationally and becomes too into things
INTJ -- Becomes too into expressing their own theory (Ne), and some may even "act so much like a smart-ass".
INTP -- Usually lazy as f*ck. Do I even need to say more?

Please don't take those as offensive. I know that I even feel the same way when I switch into INTP mode. I feel lazy and unimproved. Sometimes, even though I feel like learning more, I don't. And, I know when I am in ISTP mode, I argue and sometimes I make harsh and immature remarks. It may just be a temporary side effect where I need others to explain my own problem, but not always harshly. And while being INTJ makes one feel "superior", it is this burst of self confidence that clouds the mind in place of the more open INTP. The INTJ can truly be "superior", if only the adapt to the open flexibility of Ti, Ni and P without being lazy and inefficient.

It's no wonder how I cannot get perfectly along with all of those types. I always strive to make myself better for myself and others, even though it's not based on feeling (Fe) but my Si, Se, Ni, Ti and Te ability. And I know there's no perfection, there is only improvement. If more people have open mindsets, they can accomplish anything they want to, Typical traits of the INTP and INFJ, us the feeling that they can do anything they want to, and accomplish it if they want to. Hey, you know what? I can be the jack of all trades guy, whom feels like I can perfectly fit in to society's rules, restrictions and laws, even though I may not always want for for better reasons. I can either avoid or solve society's problems if it's feasible and genuinely worth it. I may not be perfect, I may not feel perfect, but I feel great, and I know I am great, and I know I may not be greater than you, but please acknowledge that I am great when I acknowledge that you are great.

I value simplicity and complexity in life. They both have their own meaning and uses: Where simplicity is for simple explanations and complexity is for detailed explanations. I am usually, in my own way, a very deep person, but not mysterious. I always improvise for myself and tell people how I feel. But only if that person must understand and be concerned. Otherwise it is a waste of time for me to do that.

I highly dislike unnecessary small talk and gossip, and feelings that get in the way of reasoning and logic. I wish I could help these people, but they need to help themselves. That's the only method I've found usable. And it requires time.

And Finally, I also really with there were more people like me. Just saying.

While I also like near, conventionally perfect and accurate spelling and grammar, I also dislike Websites that don't have spell-checking (like this one) because of a JavaScript-based text entry field. But I digress, it would be better if I did it, but it's also a waste of time.

Note: Okay, this JavaScript text input thing is really bothering me, and interfering with Pentadactyl for Firefox. Admins, can I please disable this? Thanks.



You may attempt to type me, but you may fail miserably. Good luck.

Originally Posted by mrrhq

Hello,

Needless to say, I am new here.

I believe I may either be INTP or ISTP dominant with definite traits of INTJ, and incredibly minor traits of Fi. My inferior Fe (haha, wimps) remains unused though. I think my cognitive abilities are so well-rounded, that I may not be any definition on the MBTI scale except for IXTX, excluding the ISTJ "cold-hearted, traditional monster". I have taken some tests that show that I am INTX and others that suggest INTP and ISTP. But, this test, that I have completed in the image below, displays something else otherwise:

ompldr[dot]org/vZXI3Nw/cognition[dot]png

Sorry, because of the inane forum policies, I need 15 posts to post images and links. Just replace the [dot].

Here's what I believe to be true about myself:

Active: Si, Ne, Ni
Passive: Se, Si, Ni

Active: Te, Ti, Fi
Passive: Te, Ti, Fe, Fi

It is concerning that I have both Ti and Te abilities, which is disorienting, while I also now possess good Fi and Si ability.

I am also diagnosed with High-functioning Autism (HFA) or Autism Disorder, which has been. over time, treated by psychological professionals, and I've also taken computer and programming-related classes among things. And I have other scientific figures and influences that I've liked experiencing and doing things with.

So I think the reason for my passive Se function, is mainly because of my autism. Unlike the "typical" NT types, I am sensitive to smells and noises, which bother me, and, when appropriate, I may have to address my concerns.

I have an incredible aptitude and philosophy towards technology and computing, the sciences, graphical arts. I have also been converted into using only GNU/Linux and UNIX, and since the past few months, even though I had used Windows for 7 years since Windows 98 SE, I never looked back (especially now that I've seen Windows 8 *gag*). I love drawing artwork, but I also like Critiquing my own artwork, which is more ITJ-like behavior, but I still like to be perceptive about it. I perceive that it's important to perceive things, but I also think it is in our own civil nature to judge.

I highly believe that philosophy, reasoning and theorizing have strong purposes in exploring, experiencing, defining and living life. And that these discoveries in the science, engineering and technology fields will, in ways of people open to it, reshape, impose, redefine and improve the lives of society. There is no greater accomplishment or feeling than helping people whether you do it the introverted or extroverted way. Unfortunately, problems of money (economy), politics, non-fair trade and lack of universalism hinder advancement. The INTJ and INFJ want to understand people, the NTs want to innovate. But without the, down-to-earth realism, how can they be executed the way that STs do it?

The extravagant info above may be used for more of an introduction about myself, so I want to get to the point, which is that I want to be typed either accurately or theoretically to the MBTI. And I also want to start a discussion about whether there are any others here with complex and hard to define personalities.

The image above, from keys2cognition[dot]com, shows my Introverted and Extroverted, Sensing and Feeling, and Thinking and Feeling types, where Ni and Ti are the strongest. Which is very awkward since INTJ is very Ne oriented. And due to the fact that I have averages all of my Se functions, shows that I also desire paying attention to detail, and taking things apart. I also hate sports and consistent activity and argument, unlike the ISTP. I prefer order over chaos and rationalization like the INTJ, but sometimes I also feel lazy and disorientated into thought like the INTP.

For example, things that I dislike about most of the types are:
ISTP -- Argues irrationally and becomes too into things
INTJ -- Becomes too into expressing their own theory (Ne), and some may even "act so much like a smart-ass".
INTP -- Usually lazy as f*ck. Do I even need to say more?

Please don't take those as offensive. I know that I even feel the same way when I switch into INTP mode. I feel lazy and unimproved. Sometimes, even though I feel like learning more, I don't. And, I know when I am in ISTP mode, I argue and sometimes I make harsh and immature remarks. It may just be a temporary side effect where I need others to explain my own problem, but not always harshly. And while being INTJ makes one feel "superior", it is this burst of self confidence that clouds the mind in place of the more open INTP. The INTJ can truly be "superior", if only the adapt to the open flexibility of Ti, Ni and P without being lazy and inefficient.

It's no wonder how I cannot get perfectly along with all of those types. I always strive to make myself better for myself and others, even though it's not based on feeling (Fe) but my Si, Se, Ni, Ti and Te ability. And I know there's no perfection, there is only improvement. If more people have open mindsets, they can accomplish anything they want to, Typical traits of the INTP and INFJ, us the feeling that they can do anything they want to, and accomplish it if they want to. Hey, you know what? I can be the jack of all trades guy, whom feels like I can perfectly fit in to society's rules, restrictions and laws, even though I may not always want for for better reasons. I can either avoid or solve society's problems if it's feasible and genuinely worth it. I may not be perfect, I may not feel perfect, but I feel great, and I know I am great, and I know I may not be greater than you, but please acknowledge that I am great when I acknowledge that you are great.

I value simplicity and complexity in life. They both have their own meaning and uses: Where simplicity is for simple explanations and complexity is for detailed explanations. I am usually, in my own way, a very deep person, but not mysterious. I always improvise for myself and tell people how I feel. But only if that person must understand and be concerned. Otherwise it is a waste of time for me to do that.

I highly dislike unnecessary small talk and gossip, and feelings that get in the way of reasoning and logic. I wish I could help these people, but they need to help themselves. That's the only method I've found usable. And it requires time.

And Finally, I also really with there were more people like me. Just saying.

While I also like near, conventionally perfect and accurate spelling and grammar, I also dislike Websites that don't have spell-checking (like this one) because of a JavaScript-based text entry field. But I digress, it would be better if I did it, but it's also a waste of time.

Note: Okay, this JavaScript text input thing is really bothering me, and interfering with Pentadactyl for Firefox. Admins, can I please disable this? Thanks.

You may attempt to type me, but you may fail miserably. Good luck.

Oh, you're one of those...

btw. the way you write just screams ITP and you're probably INTP
Yes, it's quite much that easy to determine your complexity.

INTJ -- Becomes too into expressing their own theory (Ne), and some may even "act so much like a smart-ass".

INTJs are Ni doms

INTP - Ti Ne Si Fe
INTJ - Ni Te Fi Se
ISTP - Ti Se Ni Fe

Read up on MBTI first.
Intro to Function Theory + More Detailed Descriptions of Each Function Attitude
Cognitive Function: Ne vs Ni
Inferior Projection
https://www.personalitypage.com/html/development.html

Here are 2 more videos, they didn't fit into the last post.

Originally Posted by Acerbusvenator

Oh, you're one of those...

btw. the way you write just screams ITP and you're probably INTP
Yes, it's quite much that easy to determine your complexity.


INTJs are Ni doms

INTP - Ti Ne Si Fe
INTJ - Ni Te Fi Se
ISTP - Ti Se Ni Fe
<snip>

Well, I am probably INTP with the primary Ti function and the introverted intuitive ability, but I am probably a "bad" INTP because of the Ni ability and the average Si, Se usage. I usually, don't have the cognative ability or need to always use my Ne (making out many ideas from one idea), so I think that is why I have Ni, which may be more present in INTJ and ISTP. I usually like to take things apart, just to see how easily it can be repaired, and mostly if there is no repair manual for it. It is always unfortunate when it happens, but such is life in that regard.

So how can I be ISTP, with their high Ti, if I have an Ni secondary? With the lack of Se, and too high Ni, and the major lack of Fe, it's pretty much ruled out most of the time. My Se is not very high. I can pay attention to details in sensory details, but it seems to be a problem when these details bother me. Anyway I wish my Se was a bit lower, anyway. It probably is, but on that test it seems like it reported it a bit too high.

But have you considered some INTJ yet? Here's why: Ni is pretty high, Te is good, Ti is average, Se is also average. Imagine adjusting these values up, which brings it closer to INTJ.

I think I am basically INTP with a bit of INTJ in me. You see it, right? As much as I would like to work on Ne, it's pointless for me. I really value my Ti and Ni.

Originally Posted by mrrhq

Well, I am probably INTP with the primary Ti function and the introverted intuitive ability, but I am probably a "bad" INTP because of the Ni ability and the average Si, Se usage. I usually, don't have the cognative ability or need to always use my Ne (making out many ideas from one idea), so I think that is why I have Ni, which may be more present in INTJ and ISTP. I usually like to take things apart, just to see how easily it can be repaired, and mostly if there is no repair manual for it. It is always unfortunate when it happens, but such is life in that regard.

So how can I be ISTP, with their high Ti, if I have an Ni secondary? With the lack of Se, and too high Ni, and the major lack of Fe, it's pretty much ruled out most of the time. My Se is not very high. I can pay attention to details in sensory details, but it seems to be a problem when these details bother me. Anyway I wish my Se was a bit lower, anyway. It probably is, but on that test it seems like it reported it a bit too high.

But have you considered some INTJ yet? Here's why: Ni is pretty high, Te is good, Ti is average, Se is also average. Imagine adjusting these values up, which brings it closer to INTJ.

I think I am basically INTP with a bit of INTJ in me. You see it, right? As much as I would like to work on Ne, it's pointless for me. I really value my Ti and Ni.

Please, you are making my head spin and you sound like a troll.

Your personality got 4 functions and each of them got ONLY 1 direction
INTP got - Ti Ne Si Fe
That's all they use.
Te, Ni, Se, and Fi is totally alien to them.
It's like someone speaking a language you don't understand.
All you'll react with is "???" and a feeling of it being draining.

Saying that you're INTP with a bit of INTJ is like saying I like I'm afraid of the dark, so I like it.
It's just calling for self-suffering.

Se - extraverted sensing	Experiencing the immediate context; noticing changes and opportunied for action; being drawn to act on the physical world; accumulating experiences; scanning for visible reactions and relevant data; recognizing "what is"
Si - introverted sensing	Reviewing past experiences; "what is" evoking "what was"; seeking detailed information and links to what is known; recalling stored impressions; accumulating data; recognizing the way things have always been
Ne - extraverted intuiting	Interpreting situations and relationships; picking up meanings and interconnections; being drawn to change "what is " for "what could possibly be"; noticing what is not said and threads of meaning emerging across multiple contexts
Ni - introverted intuiting	Foreseeing implications and likely effects without external data; realizing "what will be"; conceptualizing new ways of seeing things; envisioning transformations; getting an image of profound meaning or far-reaching symbols
Te - extraverted thinking	Ordering; organizing for efficiency; systematzing; aplying logic; structuring; checking for consequences; monitoring for standards or specifications being met; setting boundaries, guidelines, and parameters, deciding if something isworking or not
Ti - introverted thinking	Analyzing; categorizing; evaluating according to principles and whether something fits the framework or model; figuring out the principles on which something works; checking for inconsistencies; clarying definitions to get more precision
Fe - extraverted feeling	Connecting; considering others and the group - organizing to meet their needs and honor their values; adjusting and accommodating others; deciding if something is appropriate or acceptable to others
Fi -introverted feeling	Valuing; considering importance and worth; reviewing for incongruity; evaluating something based on the truths on which it is based; clarifying values to achieve accord; deciding if something is of significance and worth standing up for.

Se lives in the moment and Si takes information from the past
Se - "This cake tastes good"
Si - "I think I've tasted a cake like this before"

Ne - scatter-brained and creates multiple ideas.
Ni - focused and narrows ideas down.

Ne is like a supernova, it explodes out with ideas.
Ni is like a black hole and makes a lot of ideas into a collected one.

Te - Organizing and physical feature is usually the person walking around while talking in the phone etc.
It constantly needs to keep moving.
Ti - Analyzing and physical feature is usually someone how makes a lot of pauses and needs to stop to think.
It needs to stop moving to analyze.

Fe - Unifying people under one banner, stands up for what is seen as right. (Fe's beliefs is made by society, not you)
Fi - Making it's own beliefs, stands up for it even if it hurts the larger picture. (Fi's beliefs is made by you, not society)
Extreme examples of Fe would be a lot of dictators who unify their people under one banner.
Extreme examples of Fi would be suicide bombers.

Either you got
Ne or Ni
Se or Si
Te or Ti
Fe or Fi
But not both of the same function.
That's like coming to a road splitting into 2 and saying, "I'm taking both the left and right road."
It ends badly.

You know, I'm just not sure I can agree with that. I like experiancing, reviewing, ordering, analyzing, forseeing, interpreting (even though I can't do it well enough yet) and valuing.

According to that test, my values are Ti, Ni, Se, Fi. Do I really need to take another test?

It seems like MBTI is a very definate thing. I often argue about the MBTI system itself. Do the Introrverted and Extraverted attributes have to be even like Xi, Xe, Xi, Xe? There is no MBTI personality type for Ti, Ni, Se, Fi, so where does that lead up?

I'm looking forward to others' opinions and insights. I am still not convinced I can be only INTP all the time. My personality, unlike the MBTI system, which defines concrete and absolute personalities, is not such that way. My personality is more open and universal and broader. How else do I intuitively make descisions as an ISTP? How else am I going to have perceptive unlike the INTJ? How do I pay more attention to real-life and details unlike the INTP?

Originally Posted by mrrhq

You know, I'm just not sure I can agree with that. I like experiancing, reviewing, ordering, analyzing, forseeing, interpreting (even though I can't do it well enough yet) and valuing.

That sounds rather ISTP

There is no MBTI personality type for Ti, Ni, Se, Fi, so where does that lead up?

Because introverted functions focuses on the subjective and extroverted functions one the objective.
Your personality needs to be balanced by 2 pairs with one introverted function and one extroverted function in each of the pair.
It is to balance your personality.

For example:
Ti Se (one pair)
Ni Fe (second pair)

According to that test, my values are Ti, Ni, Se, Fi. Do I really need to take another test?

Fi and Fe can be quite similar and your test makes it even more clear that you're probably ISTP if you look at the example above which is the ISTP's functions.
@FacelessBeauty, can you help me out here?

I would say ISTP or INTP. Ti dom for sure. Based on the fact that the individual seems to refer back to the data in his test and interpret it in a more rigid manner it seems more Se than anything (or he's not understanding what we mean). ISTP is more likely. :P

i'm really surprised someone has not said this yet



tl;dr



and one more vote for ISTP, definitely.

Originally Posted by Jinny Seo

i'm really surprised someone has not said this yet



tl;dr



and one more vote for ISTP, definitely.

I still disagree. After browsing around, I definately relate and resonate well to the INTP crowd mostly when they talk, most ISTPs will just complain or close their minds too much. But I also relate to some more mature and reasonable ISTPs. I think my attitude can be more towards ISTP, but I can also act very much INTP/INTJ, without being as active and focused as INTJ. If I am ISTP, then I am a very unique one. I know that Ti and Ni cannot be used together, so I should have seen that INTJ is not a possability, because of primary Ti, so that's it, I am an IxTP. I relate to both ISTP and INTP in almost every way, and not so in every other way, and the same thing for their unrelations. I truely beleive that I am IxTP. At times I always switch. I am potentially borderline sensing, either I'm trying to escape Sensing, or I want to apply more activity and realism in my life and thought with Sensing. It's hard to escape the laziness of both types. So I'm not sure where I stand with sensing and intuition because I honestly believe I use both, just at different times and different situations. I use Ne, Se, Si and, of course, Ni, which ISTP uses, almost equally. I don't think anyone can rule out ISTP or INTP at this point.