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#1 · (Edited)
I decided that I'll put up a small guide here so the next set of type form filing and the social exchanges that go after it can go more smoothly. I also included some anti-stereotype because people tend to project their desired selves, feel repressed, or go ballistic over "unfavorable" responses.

Also, I certainly believe that educating oneself about how the system works is key, but that will be left too other 100000 guides on this forum and it's up to people to really dig into the "truths".

If this is the wrong forum to put it, please re-administer it.

A) Matters of Extroversion / Introversion

Do include if being around people or talking about ideas energize you or not.
Don't worry about being "shy", "having few close friends" or lacking "people skills". Your real world "performances" have nothing to do with it.

B) You're not likely an "N"

Everyone theorizes, generalizes or have some idea of how the world works. And most importantly, understanding is pertinent in terms of every learning style. The next time you put in "I prefer theorizing" even though you're secretly uncertain if you're really an ENTP, consider putting more details or context. People will sniff you out regardless of what you write.

Technically everyone has at least some ability to think abstractly and notice that there's an underline in this word (and not the other one).

C) Imagination is an universal survival skill

Everyone uses their imagination at some point or daydreams ideals. You need to be more specific about how you go about your glorious "imagination" and also, you are not likely to be scouted for Pixar.

D)
If you can't get some thick juicy answers into those questions, consider another form.

And by juicy, I mean that your one or two line responses is likely as good as orange peels.


Herp: http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/42375-whats-my-type-form.html
Spades: http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/99679-whats-my-type-questionnaire.html


Spade's form is more concrete and contextual and has so far, generated faster type diagnoses. If you still have difficulties, you're not ready for type assessment.

E) How do you act when you're stressed or what pisses you off?

Acerbusvenator had kindly compiled a set of resources:
Acerbusvenator said:
The below is another variant of shadow functions, as devised by "Vagrant Force"
Source

INJ (se): "...such a brutal, sensate landscape. why do people settle for animalistic immediacy? I'm not an animal, that's for sure. I'll conceive my own reality, on my own terms."
ITP (fe): "...people are so easily manipulated and shallow. I can see how things really work, I couldn't possibly play along. Isn't anyone able to think for themselves?"
IFP (te): "...individuals are so divided and discouraged, for such horrid impersonal reasons. I pay attention to how people feel, and that's more important than anything."
ISJ (ne): "...such chaos and nonsense, it would all self-destruct if it wasn't for those of us keeping check of things. Do people really want things to fall apart?"


EFJ (ti): "...cold, hard logic doesn't go anywhere toward helping people. where would we be without each other? why risk breaking that neccessary bond?"
ETJ (fi) "...people are so unwilling to take charge, too afraid of stepping on someone else's toes just to get something done. I get things done, I have the balls to see how life really works."
ENP (si) "...immobility never lasts, the earth never sits still. If you just sit in one place, how could you possibly go anywhere?"


ESP (ni) "...trying to repress your own instincts only serves to heighten them. why are people so frightened of what's right in front of their nose?"

F) What do you consider your weaknesses and what are you considering or have considered in dealing with it?


For example, you might not consider future consequences before but now your agenda or blackberry is your best device.


G) Ne does not "light up like Christmas trees"

And people with ADD are not necessarily SE/NE-doms. Your brain goes through "linearly" but you are alert for possible branches of ideas or possibilities and you also look at conceptual properties of objects. Not its physicality or tangibility, in the case of doms or auxes.


H) Almost everyone procrastinates and nobody likes chores, even the SJ's

I'd know, dear.

The question is, do you go with the flow when you go about your personal projects, or do you always need or have some game plan about it? ;)

I) The fact that people misunderstands you is not a useful fact in determining your relations.

It is your responsibility to learn how to interact with people no matter what disorders you have.
And questioning why so many misunderstandings occur is probably a bigger priority than what type you are.

J)Do you have any alternate personality test results (BIG Five, Enneagrams)
Any type can be any other alt. personality type, but it can certainly cut out a lot of possibilities on what you're not.

And in case your enneatype is wrong, most people on this subforum are likely pretty Rennaisance about other theories pertaining to the human mind.

K) "I'm not traditional"

Have you considered what the term "traditional" really means?
Did you just pulled out a dictionary and stopped thinking after you read the dictionary definition or go, "did you think I'm idiot to not know what the term means?"

Then you're probably not an N. No offense or taunt bait intended.

L) Try to think about why you do the things you do, why you like something, etc.

It won't just improve MBTI diagnoses, it will probably improve your life on the road to self-discovery just a tad more so than having a personality type pinned to your butt.

Or for the least, think of the end of agonizing whether or not you use FI or TI or is really INTJ as a reward after sufficient self-analysis. You know that your "type" is not a piece of jewelry.

M) If you're not going to show your form to a teacher, don't post it.

In other words, please keep your form nicely spaced and nicely paragraphed because sensors on this forum exist, and we care how visually legible your form is.

BTW, not caring how pretty your form is only increases the chance you might be an N by 0.5%.
 
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#17 ·
@Ludi


Well, I considered about being NJ (which will mean I came a full INFP -> INTP -> ENFP/ENTP -> ISFP - > ISFJ-> ESFJ -> ENFJ circle of mistypes, travelling around the globe in Kiersey's Temperament.) I came by a circumstance of clinical depression starting from middle school and all the way until the end of highschool so in a way, I'm going to end up with a pretty foggy outlook of where functions play in my life.

Now, I'm absolutely certain I'm an FE-dom. I figured, if I'm an Si-user I want to be adequate in abstract thinking and if I'm an Ni-user, well, not get hit by cars or stupid accidents are fair enough. The reason I'm leaning towards SJ, is because well, I do repeat stuff in my head a lot because my emotional responses never leave me.
 
#18 ·
@Ludi


Well, I considered about being NJ (which will mean I came a full INFP -> INTP -> ENFP/ENTP -> ISFP - > ISFJ-> ESFJ -> ENFJ circle of mistypes, travelling around the globe in Kiersey's Temperament.) I came by a circumstance of clinical depression starting from middle school and all the way until the end of highschool so in a way, I'm going to end up with a pretty foggy outlook of where functions play in my life.

Now, I'm absolutely certain I'm an FE-dom. I figured, if I'm an Si-user I want to be adequate in abstract thinking and if I'm an Ni-user, well, not get hit by cars or stupid accidents are fair enough. The reason I'm leaning towards SJ, is because well, I do repeat stuff in my head a lot because my emotional responses never leave me.
Thank you very much for answering.

But do you not think that Ni, as an inner perception function too, could very much elicit the same as Si?

What are the reasons that make you very certain of Fe as the dominant function?

Do you think that the emotional ressonance may have to do with the previous state of clinical depression?
 
#25 · (Edited)
-forewarning-
PLEASE DONT BAN ME FOR DISAGREEING

INJ (se): "...such a brutal, sensate landscape. why do people settle for animalistic immediacy? I'm not an animal, that's for sure. I'll conceive my own reality, on my own terms."
ITP (fe): "...people are so easily manipulated and shallow. I can see how things really work, I couldn't possibly play along. Isn't anyone able to think for themselves?"
IFP (te): "...individuals are so divided and discouraged, for such horrid impersonal reasons. I pay attention to how people feel, and that's more important than anything."
ISJ (ne): "...such chaos and nonsense, it would all self-destruct if it wasn't for those of us keeping check of things. Do people really want things to fall apart?"


EFJ (ti): "...cold, hard logic doesn't go anywhere toward helping people. where would we be without each other? why risk breaking that neccessary bond?"
ETJ (fi) "...people are so unwilling to take charge, too afraid of stepping on someone else's toes just to get something done. I get things done, I have the balls to see how life really works."
ENP (si) "...immobility never lasts, the earth never sits still. If you just sit in one place, how could you possibly go anywhere?"


ESP (ni) "...trying to repress your own instincts only serves to heighten them. why are people so frightened of what's right in front of their nose?"
i find that people who are comfortable with, and have been forced to use their inferior functions may not agree with the above. personally, i agree with the ETJ and IFJ quotes. My Fi manifests itself through evaluating how realistic emotional responses are. So I get especially annoyed at soap operas with ridiculous relationship dynamics. I find that IFP would be more annoyed at how people do not consider ALL the variables or mitigating circumstances behind human actions/feelings.

I also have a 28yo INTP friend who really appreciates Fi.
 
#28 ·
-forewarning-
PLEASE DONT BAN ME FOR DISAGREEING



i find that people who are comfortable with, and have been forced to use their inferior functions may not agree with the above. personally, i agree with the ETJ and IFJ quotes. My Fi manifests itself through evaluating how realistic emotional responses are. So I get especially annoyed at soap operas with ridiculous relationship dynamics. I find that IFP would be more annoyed at how people do not consider ALL the variables or mitigating circumstances behind human actions/feelings.

I also have a 28yo INTP friend who really appreciates Fi.
Hmm, I'll see if there's a better way to use the chart. It's probably a bit too poetic and almost everyone seem to view the chart like a decision between sleep, social life and grades but they can only pick 1.
 
#33 ·
@Acerbusvenator @Inure Penumbra

Hi guys, want some popcorn? Let's just accept popcorn for what it is and nothing more. Also, you can enjoy this picture for more than 30 seconds of mindless thought.. if you can ;)

 
#37 ·
Thank you for taking what I was too lazy to type out in the disclaimer of my Questionnaire and actually typing it out. Kudos! ^_^

That being said, the questionnaires are far, far from optimal. There will be a failure rate regardless of the level of detail provided. I think the two most important things to keep in mind are:

1. Forum members are not JCF experts by any means. They have biases.

2. The typee is not an expert by any means. They have biases about their own personality.
 
#39 ·
and also, you are not likely to be scouted for Pixar.
Says you :tongue:


And by juicy, I mean that your one or two line responses is likely as good as orange peels.
To show that the orange is missing, right? It's just as relevant as seeing the orange.




If you still have difficulties, you're not ready for type assessment.
Um, why else would you need an assessment from someone else?


G) Ne does not "light up like Christmas trees"
What basis do you have to disagree with Nardi about this? :tongue:

Your brain goes through "linearly" but you are alert for possible branches of ideas or possibilities and you also look at conceptual properties of objects. Not its physicality or tangibility, in the case of doms or auxes.
Could you expand upon what you are talking about here?

Have you considered what the term "traditional" really means?
Did you just pulled out a dictionary and stopped thinking after you read the dictionary definition or go, "did you think I'm idiot to not know what the term means?"

Then you're probably not an N. No offense or taunt bait intended.
Sarcasm? You do say "no offense" but aren't you falling into the same sort of biases as the people who misinterpret the answers to the forms?


M) If you're not going to show your form to a teacher, don't post it.

In other words, please keep your form nicely spaced and nicely paragraphed because sensors on this forum exist, and we care how visually legible your form is.
I'm skeptical as to how closely relevant this is to being a sensor but I get your point.

BTW, not caring how pretty your form is only increases the chance you might be an N by 0.5%.
I didn't care before, but now that you mention it I might just have to go all-out on my form.....

1. Forum members are not JCF experts by any means. They have biases.

2. The typee is not an expert by any means. They have biases about their own personality.
Well maybe there are one or two out there who are JCF experts, but yes even they are shaky sometimes, and we all have biases of course (which are of course very helpful for typing people :tongue: ) I've been studying this stuff a long time too, but I'm not an expert, so I try my best to make sure people don't take me too seriously.
 
#40 ·
B) You're not likely an "N"
I'm impressed OP knows the personality type of everyone on this forum without having interacted with them. I mean N's are rare, so all those so-called N's are actually S's because, you know, the demographics of an internet forum have to be exactly the same as the demographics of the general population, and it's not like a forum about a theoretical subject is likely to attract more N's than S's or anything.

The next time you put in "I prefer theorizing" even though you're secretly uncertain if you're really an ENTP, consider putting more details or context.
Because people who start type me threads are "secretly uncertain" of their type. Ok...

People will sniff you out regardless of what you write.
That's right, you only think you're an N because you want to be cool, but you're not going to get away with it; people will sniff you out, even if everything you write points to an N preference.

I'm sick of all the "you're not a rare type" business. Why is this even stickied?
 
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