What do you think my type is?

Note: I believe I'm an INTJ, but I keep questioning it. I want to hear input, too. Don't say "You're XXXX" definitely, like you're 100% sure since it's still up to me to contemplate and choose for myself. Just say what you think it is and show back-up. I'm saying this because usually when people say "you're this" I usually snap and disregard your comment.

0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

Age 15. Major depression with psychotic symptoms. Mood disorder (ex: Bipolar). Anxiety Disorder. ADHD, but I still can't believe it. omfg I'm a mess. Though, I'm on medication, so it's balanced out. I'm not on any ADHD medicine right now. I also did not sleep at all last night.

1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.



The texture of the photo looks weird, tbh. Anyway, I can go many ways with this. I initially thought how the flashes of light could have suddenly turned into solid discs which you can use to glide. I also thought of how birds usually sing, but this one bird either has lost its voice, or wanted to try something different/likes human music/somehow learned how to work a radio/etc. So, going with the first thought of the bird losing its voice, it can only express itself with recorded music. Then I can make a whole story about this bird and that human, which can possibly end up killing the birds both with one stone. I imagine the music notes flying off the paper and the birds try to eat them, but it tastes like graphite. I can go on forever. Those yellow blocks annoy me. It looks like a little gate opening for a kid. Does that make sense? I get all these images in my head, but, ever since my mental issues have increased, my ability to describe them using specific vocabulary has declined. I have to sit and think longer about it. Oh, blue and yellow should not go together. It makes me think of weird yellow-bellied monsters with blue fur, or fir since they're monsters and monsters can have trees growing out their backs.

....I just reread the question and saw the word impression. It didn't say how far I could go with the impression.

2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?

Depends who I'm with and on my mood. Since we're going to a concert, then it's probably going to be with my friends. Which friends? To make it easier my close friends. (Usually all this thinking shoots through my head, but by being diligent I am able to type them down. Showing parts of my thought process will help you figure out my type.)

I'm probably be calm. I wouldn't really feel much. I would just get my phone, which happens to magically have 5 bars and 4G network. Let's pretend it's the latest iPhone. I can do anything. Look up the problem, call a friend, call a pick-up truck, etc. But really I would be calm, fix the problem, and tell everyone to shut up, which wouldn't be that difficult since most of my friends would already be quiet.

3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?

I've grown out of "hating" parties and "hating" people. It drains my energy. I'll either sit in the back and talk to some people. If I see something interesting, I'll jump in it. I'm not going to spend my time getting angry over things I can't control (thank you, Drama teacher). I'll make the best of it. I can shape my world.

4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?

I ask them why. Challenge them. Understand their side. Think. I wouldn't be quiet basically.

5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?

Depends what it is. Murder? Rape? Abuse? I'll jump in and stop it. I'm very open to other people's beliefs. I really don't try to stop them. I try to understand then say my side, too. Then we'll come to an agreement. It's interesting to have different types of people with colorful pasts and beliefs.

6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?

I don't think about my values all day long. I have better things to think about it. If a subject comes up, I'll say what I believe. Well, I just hate people lying to me because my younger sister always lied before. She'd steal my stuff. She'd lie even about the little things. If she should just tell the truth at first, I wouldn't get that angry. I want the truth. I usually tell the truth, especially about what I believe and what I am thinking. I've changed a little bit where I've learned that you have to lie sometimes. I'm a hypocrite.

7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? b) If you could change one thing about you personality, what would it be? Why?

a) I've always noticed I was different. I always get frustrated on how timid people can be, especially talking out taboo subjects. My beliefs, thought processing, humor, outspokenness, etc. have always been different.

b) My ability to get things done. Confidence. I'm working on it.

8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

They go by so fast that sometimes I can't stop my movement and listen to it. Though, I've been getting better and I've been listening to them. They're usually always right. I've just have tried so much to put myself "out there" so much I've left my head. I'm getting back into it now, and it feels so much better to be able to listen to your thoughts. I'm able to comprehend these hunches efficiently. I am able to think.

Also, these hunches happen every day, anywhere, and anytime.

9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

a) Track & Field. Exercising. Adrenaline-junkie activities. Actually doing my crazy ideas in the real world. I mean, the thing is, I rarely bring my crazy ideas in the real world, but I'm working on it. I realize that I can actually just sit down and think of doing crazy stuff like riding a motorcycle, and I become really energized. My heart begins to race. I have to move around because of how much energy I have. I make weird expressions on my face because I'm so immersed in my thoughts. I can just be sitting randomly and just jump up in the air, spilling out my ideas, cutting myself off, and saying a better idea. Then going back into my head and thinking. Realizing I'm in complete control of my life. Making art.



b) Anything I'm not interested in. Thinking about things that are unnecessary to think about. Thinking about things I can't control. Having conversations about other people. I hate that. There are so many better things to be talking about.

10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?

Not that much. I try my best to listen to my urges. It's me. I'm an artist. I try to live my life like one, too, molding the world into a place I want to live in.

I seriously doubt you're a J, or you probably wouldn't have such a problem with other people labeling you. Your response to the image is also pure Ne, which is the NP function.

Hi Opulent,

I understand your frustration. Hope I can help to clarify things for you.

Originally Posted by Opulent

Note: I believe I'm an INTJ, but I keep questioning it. I want to hear input, too. Don't say "You're XXXX" definitely, like you're 100% sure since it's still up to me to contemplate and choose for myself. Just say what you think it is and show back-up. I'm saying this because usually when people say "you're this" I usually snap and disregard your comment.

Te Te Te ... good lord this is very Te.

Originally Posted by Opulent

0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

Age 15. Major depression with psychotic symptoms. Mood disorder (ex: Bipolar). Anxiety Disorder. ADHD, but I still can't believe it. omfg I'm a mess. Though, I'm on medication, so it's balanced out. I'm not on any ADHD medicine right now. I also did not sleep at all last night.

I'm glad to hear that it's balanced out a bit and that the medication is helping somewhat. Not being able to sleep is a bitch.

Originally Posted by Opulent

1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.



The texture of the photo looks weird, tbh. Anyway, I can go many ways with this. I initially thought how the flashes of light could have suddenly turned into solid discs which you can use to glide. I also thought of how birds usually sing, but this one bird either has lost its voice, or wanted to try something different/likes human music/somehow learned how to work a radio/etc. So, going with the first thought of the bird losing its voice, it can only express itself with recorded music. Then I can make a whole story about this bird and that human, which can possibly end up killing the birds both with one stone. I imagine the music notes flying off the paper and the birds try to eat them, but it tastes like graphite. I can go on forever. Those yellow blocks annoy me. It looks like a little gate opening for a kid. Does that make sense? I get all these images in my head, but, ever since my mental issues have increased, my ability to describe them using specific vocabulary has declined. I have to sit and think longer about it. Oh, blue and yellow should not go together. It makes me think of weird yellow-bellied monsters with blue fur, or fir since they're monsters and monsters can have trees growing out their backs.

This sounds a lot like Ni. You want to go on forever about this specific intuition - Ne will usually get bored and jump on to the next thought pretty quickly.

Originally Posted by Opulent

....I just reread the question and saw the word impression. It didn't say how far I could go with the impression.

This is metacognition, this sort of thinking about thinking and jumping out of context to a metaperspective is typical of strong Ni.

Originally Posted by Opulent

2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?

Depends who I'm with and on my mood. Since we're going to a concert, then it's probably going to be with my friends. Which friends? To make it easier my close friends. (Usually all this thinking shoots through my head, but by being diligent I am able to type them down. Showing parts of my thought process will help you figure out my type.)

I'm probably be calm. I wouldn't really feel much. I would just get my phone, which happens to magically have 5 bars and 4G network. Let's pretend it's the latest iPhone. I can do anything. Look up the problem, call a friend, call a pick-up truck, etc. But really I would be calm, fix the problem, and tell everyone to shut up, which wouldn't be that difficult since most of my friends would already be quiet.

Ni, projecting into the future with specific cognitions
Te, planning out loud and estimating numbers, referencing technological acronyms
developing or inferior Fi, your feeling tends to manifest in fairly uncontrolled outbursts

Originally Posted by Opulent

3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?

I've grown out of "hating" parties and "hating" people. It drains my energy. I'll either sit in the back and talk to some people. If I see something interesting, I'll jump in it. I'm not going to spend my time getting angry over things I can't control (thank you, Drama teacher). I'll make the best of it. I can shape my world.

Ni, awareness of the ability to manifest change in oneself or visualize yourself as a different person
auxiliary or dominant Te, engaging in conversation to share ideas, not to socialize
Developing Fi, probably not inferior since you're developing some maturity with it

Originally Posted by Opulent

4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?

I ask them why. Challenge them. Understand their side. Think. I wouldn't be quiet basically.

Ni perspective-shifting.
Strong Te.
Tertiary or inferior Fi.

Originally Posted by Opulent

5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?

Depends what it is. Murder? Rape? Abuse? I'll jump in and stop it. I'm very open to other people's beliefs. I really don't try to stop them. I try to understand then say my side, too. Then we'll come to an agreement. It's interesting to have different types of people with colorful pasts and beliefs.

Ni demand for context.
Te desire to be heard and negotiating ideas between people.
Fi allowance for personal beliefs but in a more passive manner, suggesting tertiary.
Se uncontrolled impulse to action and aspirational interest in new experiences.

Originally Posted by Opulent

6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?

I don't think about my values all day long. I have better things to think about it. If a subject comes up, I'll say what I believe. Well, I just hate people lying to me because my younger sister always lied before. She'd steal my stuff. She'd lie even about the little things. If she should just tell the truth at first, I wouldn't get that angry. I want the truth. I usually tell the truth, especially about what I believe and what I am thinking. I've changed a little bit where I've learned that you have to lie sometimes. I'm a hypocrite.

Auxiliary Te filtered through Ni, recognizing the broader context sometimes calls for violations of logic
Tertiary Fi, relating beliefs to personal, subjective evaluation, not dominating your thoughts but still in your awareness

Originally Posted by Opulent

7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? b) If you could change one thing about you personality, what would it be? Why?

a) I've always noticed I was different. I always get frustrated on how timid people can be, especially talking out taboo subjects. My beliefs, thought processing, humor, outspokenness, etc. have always been different.

b) My ability to get things done. Confidence. I'm working on it.

dominant Ni / inferior Se awareness of metaperspective and not feeling like a part of the current experience
non-dominant and slightly underdeveloped Te warring with currently developing Fi
Fi wanting feeling evaluations to be personal, not objective or group-negotiated, expressed over mostly negative issues, suggesting tertiary or inferior

Originally Posted by Opulent

8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

They go by so fast that sometimes I can't stop my movement and listen to it. Though, I've been getting better and I've been listening to them. They're usually always right. I've just have tried so much to put myself "out there" so much I've left my head. I'm getting back into it now, and it feels so much better to be able to listen to your thoughts. I'm able to comprehend these hunches efficiently. I am able to think.
Also, these hunches happen every day, anywhere, and anytime.

Clear Ni-dominance / inferior Se, backed up by fully differentiated Te.

Originally Posted by Opulent

9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

a) Track & Field. Exercising. Adrenaline-junkie activities. Actually doing my crazy ideas in the real world. I mean, the thing is, I rarely bring my crazy ideas in the real world, but I'm working on it. I realize that I can actually just sit down and think of doing crazy stuff like riding a motorcycle, and I become really energized. My heart begins to race. I have to move around because of how much energy I have. I make weird expressions on my face because I'm so immersed in my thoughts. I can just be sitting randomly and just jump up in the air, spilling out my ideas, cutting myself off, and saying a better idea. Then going back into my head and thinking. Realizing I'm in complete control of my life. Making art.

b) Anything I'm not interested in. Thinking about things that are unnecessary to think about. Thinking about things I can't control. Having conversations about other people. I hate that. There are so many better things to be talking about.

Ni preference for ideas to reality, not wanting to consider divergent Ne possiblities
strong Te desire to control the environment, make ideas manifest, and improve on ideas in the world
reactionary Fi not wanting to focus on group dynamics
Aspirational but uncontrolled inferior Se

Originally Posted by Opulent

10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?

Not that much. I try my best to listen to my urges. It's me. I'm an artist. I try to live my life like one, too, molding the world into a place I want to live in.

Ni trust of inner perception, awareness and vision of a different potential context
Te desire to make changes manifest
Fi not wanting to be bound by group or external evaluation / rules

There are occasional bits of fluff that look like Ti-Ne, but you have none of the Ti-based internal-referencing thought system or the Ne-based divergent intuitions in your post.

I see very strong indications of Ni-dominance here, with well developed Te. You're almost certainly an INTJ, though there's an outside chance of ENTJ and Te-dominance. ENTJs typically have this air of confidence and happy extraversion that's missing in INTJs, and I don't really see that in you. You have some pretty clear pointers toward inferior Se as well, and your Fi doesn't have that rejected from the ego feel that it would if it was your inferior function.

You're experiencing some stress right now because you're starting to develop your Fi, as evident in your strong interest in art and recent reduced confidence in making your ideas manifest. This is perfectly natural for an INTJ of your age. Eventually your thinking side will come to be more at peace with your inward-oriented Feeling process.

Anyways, if you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Originally Posted by zenity

You're experiencing some stress right now because you're starting to develop your Fi, as evident in your strong interest in art and recent reduced confidence in making your ideas manifest. This is perfectly natural for an INTJ of your age. Eventually your thinking side will come to be more at peace with your inward-oriented Feeling process.

I haven't fully take in all of your comments and developed a complete response to it, but I have to include something: I've always drawn since I was able to hold a pencil. I've loved it every since. Ah -- I see. I just realized something. "You're starting to develop your Fi" -- It wasn't until recently, 1 - 2 years, where I started to realize how I much I truly loved art, and my thoughts and feelings about it became more developed. I started making notes on how lines and colors can fiddle with my emotions. Does that make sense? Still, I can't exactly put my feelings for art in coherent words.

Originally Posted by zenity

Ni demand for context.
Te desire to be heard and negotiating ideas between people.
Fi allowance for personal beliefs but in a more passive manner, suggesting tertiary.
Se uncontrolled impulse to action and aspirational interest in new experiences.

Well, it's not necessarily uncontrolled. It's only uncontrolled because I taught myself to just let go and listen to the impulses. That's why many people believe I'm an ISTP, but they've never seen the other, natural side of me. I'm nearly an expert in not listening to my impulses, but I realized that interfered with me being happy. I'm always aware when I'm doing "stupid" things. For example, yesterday I just grabbed my bottle and dumped the water onto the floor, just to do it to see what would happen. Usually I would just imagine myself doing it.

Let me include that when I listen to these impulses, I feel a sense of instability. I don't mention it, though. I want to master it. I try to go with it and act a little crazy.

I've realized that I'm much more mature than people my age to the point that I won't be able to have the fun, stupid memories that most of adults look back on in the future. My life would even be more boring if I didn't try to make my dreams a reality and listen to my odd impulses. I'm always aware of what I'm doing. Sometimes -- well, a lot -- I do things just to get a reaction from people.

So, basically, because of my internal functions Ni & Fi, I've been developing my extroverted functions Te & Se?

Thank you for your input, and thank you for listening to the note above.

Originally Posted by Opulent

I haven't fully take in all of your comments and developed a complete response to it, but I have to include something: I've always drawn since I was able to hold a pencil. I've loved it every since. Ah -- I see. I just realized something. "You're starting to develop your Fi" -- It wasn't until recently, 1 - 2 years, where I started to realize how I much I truly loved art, and my thoughts and feelings about it became more developed. I started making notes on how lines and colors can fiddle with my emotions. Does that make sense? Still, I can't exactly put my feelings for art in coherent words.

Yeah, I think the desire to create art can stem from any function, you just see a difference of motivations involved. Ni-doms and Fi-doms are driven to explore art as expression of their internal worlds, either of their emotional landscape or their specific intuitions about things.

That you have trouble putting your feelings about it into words is probably a sign that Ni is involved. But yeah, that makes total sense, and I think your recent emotional awareness with art probably is due to Fi.

Originally Posted by Opulent

Well, it's not necessarily uncontrolled. It's only uncontrolled because I taught myself to just let go and listen to the impulses. That's why many people believe I'm an ISTP, but they've never seen the other, natural side of me.

Hmmm. Is there something specific that you associate with ISTP when you say this? Just a tendency towards impulsiveness and adrenaline-junkie type activities?

Originally Posted by Opulent

I'm nearly an expert in not listening to my impulses, but I realized that interfered with me being happy. I'm always aware when I'm doing "stupid" things. For example, yesterday I just grabbed my bottle and dumped the water onto the floor, just to do it to see what would happen. Usually I would just imagine myself doing it.

Let me include that when I listen to these impulses, I feel a sense of instability. I don't mention it, though. I want to master it. I try to go with it and act a little crazy.

Can you tell me more about what your thought process is like when you're experiencing these impulses?

Originally Posted by Opulent

I've realized that I'm much more mature than people my age to the point that I won't be able to have the fun, stupid memories that most of adults look back on in the future. My life would even be more boring if I didn't try to make my dreams a reality and listen to my odd impulses. I'm always aware of what I'm doing. Sometimes -- well, a lot -- I do things just to get a reaction from people.

I think it's pretty common for IJs to be so serious when they're young that they feel like they're missing out. The benefits are enormous - no children out of wedlock, no shotgun marriages, no teenage blackout stories

I'm wondering about this pushing to get a reaction. I've seen this quite often with young ENTJs, not so much with INTJs. Is this a recent thing for you? And have these impulses been affected by the meds?

Originally Posted by Opulent

So, basically, because of my internal functions Ni & Fi, I've been developing my extroverted functions Te & Se?

Well, not exactly. Just that function development usually progresses over time due to life events, and once we've developed a function to the degree we need it to help us better cope, we move on. So if you start out from an introverted intuitive perspective, you need to develop a means to evalute your perceptions that doesn't come from inside of you (if it came from inside of you, you'd be pretty nonfunctional and your ego would probably reject that perspective more easily), so you end up developing either Te or Fe as a reaction to Ni, and later Fi or Ti to balance out the valuations. Finally Se develops to counterbalance the dominant perception perspective.

Whatever functions you use, you always have them, but you won't have as much conscious control over them as you think you do until there's more of a need for them and you're forced to develop them further. Which is usually marked by a bit of psychological upheaval.

If you're an ENTJ, then you might be starting to develop your Se, which would explain your desire for mastery of this impulsivity.

It bears some thought.

Originally Posted by Opulent

Thank you for your input, and thank you for listening to the note above.

It's what we're all here for, right?

Originally Posted by zenity

Hmmm. Is there something specific that you associate with ISTP when you say this? Just a tendency towards impulsiveness and adrenaline-junkie type activities?

No, not at all. I am not an ISTP or ESTP. That's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by zenity

Can you tell me more about what your thought process is like when you're experiencing these impulses?

It's usually just caused my anxiety. I'm worried how I appear on the outside and what people must be thinking of me. Though, I keep fighting it and remind myself I'm doing this for me. In the end, I'm glad I did, and I do enjoy the adrenaline rush. Anyway, I'm not letting my anxieties or these people get in the way of me doing anything. I even wore my Joker/Batman (it's reversible) cape to school yesterday, with the joker side showing. My friends kept telling me to change it to Batman, but I refused. Ha-ha. I felt exposed, though I wanted everyone to notice me. I want to be able to gracefully and confidently pull it off one day. I would love to wear costumes and weird outfits all the time. I want to be that lunatic everybody loves.

Originally Posted by zenity

I'm wondering about this pushing to get a reaction. I've seen this quite often with young ENTJs, not so much with INTJs. Is this a recent thing for you? And have these impulses been affected by the meds?

Ha! The only effects the meds has is made it easier for me to listen to these impulses. I want people to make people laugh. I want to be comfortable in the spotlight. I want to be appreciated for my talents. Are they a recent thing? I honestly don't know. I know I've always held back, but I'm devising plans to finally let go and be me. I want to be #1. Before I'd stop myself from saying or doing things because I didn't want to appear too "aggressive", but I'm tired of it. I'm tired of my fears dictating my life.

I'm so close to freedom that I can taste it.

Ha, my therapist says I'm a ball of contradictions.

Sorry if nothing makes sense. I had no sleep last night as well, but I had to respond one way or another. Tell me if you need more explanation because I doubt any of this makes sense. Speaking of which, I prefer to explain topics verbally compared to writing/typing it.

Originally Posted by zenity

You're experiencing some stress right now because you're starting to develop your Fi, as evident in your strong interest in art and recent reduced confidence in making your ideas manifest. This is perfectly natural for an INTJ of your age. Eventually your thinking side will come to be more at peace with your inward-oriented Feeling process.

But I don't have reduced confidence in making my making my ideas manifest. My ambition and confidence has actually grown Sorry if I said that somewhere in my original post, or gave that impression.

Originally Posted by Opulent

No, not at all. I am not an ISTP or ESTP. That's ridiculous.

My apologies, I didn't mean to imply that you were. I was just curious what qualities you think of when you think of ISTPs or ESTPs. It's the way Ti works sometimes, assuming that other people are working by their own definitions and needing to know what those definitions are so we can better understand how others think.

Originally Posted by Opulent

It's usually just caused my anxiety. I'm worried how I appear on the outside and what people must be thinking of me. Though, I keep fighting it and remind myself I'm doing this for me. In the end, I'm glad I did, and I do enjoy the adrenaline rush. Anyway, I'm not letting my anxieties or these people get in the way of me doing anything. I even wore my Joker/Batman (it's reversible) cape to school yesterday, with the joker side showing. My friends kept telling me to change it to Batman, but I refused. Ha-ha. I felt exposed, though I wanted everyone to notice me. I want to be able to gracefully and confidently pull it off one day. I would love to wear costumes and weird outfits all the time. I want to be that lunatic everybody loves.

Heh. Good stuff. It's actually pretty common for Ni-doms to act like this, wanting simultaneously to be noticed and unnoticed, to lack confidence with their ability to act and then, on rare occasion, to put themselves out there in a very dramatic or exhibitionist fashion. It's one of the ways inferior Se manifests itself, in this hot-and-cold, intermittant and somewhat uncontrolled fashion.

One reason this would feel uncomfortable to an INTJ is because it involves exploring a perspective that's exactly opposite of what the ego owns. Experiencing the world fearlessly as it is, not stopping to think or to calculate risk.

With ENTJs, you see a lot less of this fear. There's more of an acceptance that action or acting is an available strategy that's not threatening to who you are as a person. ENTJs operate more from the perspective of wanting to organize the world and implement agreed-upon ideas with extreme competence, using their internal vision to see how to succesfully do so. Because they're less wrapped up in their visions and intuitions, it's less threatening to them to engage the world and experience.

The reason I see some of this in you is because many ENTJs in their late teens / early twenties go through this rebellious phase where they start to integrate this Se-driven perspective in to their consciousness. It can look very out-of-place in comparison to their previous future-focused and competency driven perspective, but ultimately the ENTJ learns how to use this drive to experience, impulse to action and fearlessness to serve the ego-desire to make their ideas about the world manifest. The INTJ will be driven to try to do the same, but will have a much harder time with it, because their intuitions about the world are so central to their being.

You may want to look at the childhood profiles for INJs and ETJs, and see if you relate to either of them, keeping in mind the Forer effect.

If you haven't done so already, you should probably also take a look at the manifestations of the inferior function for INTJs and ENTJs, and figure out whether either of them seem relevent.

Originally Posted by Opulent

Ha! The only effects the meds has is made it easier for me to listen to these impulses. I want people to make people laugh. I want to be comfortable in the spotlight. I want to be appreciated for my talents. Are they a recent thing? I honestly don't know. I know I've always held back, but I'm devising plans to finally let go and be me. I want to be #1. Before I'd stop myself from saying or doing things because I didn't want to appear too "aggressive", but I'm tired of it. I'm tired of my fears dictating my life.

I'm so close to freedom that I can taste it.

Ha, my therapist says I'm a ball of contradictions.

It sounds like you've been carrying anxiety with you for a very long time, and that the meds have helped to bolster some long-missing confidence.

Originally Posted by Opulent

Sorry if nothing makes sense. I had no sleep last night as well, but I had to respond one way or another. Tell me if you need more explanation because I doubt any of this makes sense. Speaking of which, I prefer to explain topics verbally compared to writing/typing it.

Makes loads of sense, and thanks for responding in spite of your tiredness I'm not great at conveying ideas through verbal communication, because I find it hard to communicate my thoughts verbally with sufficient precision - a Ti / inferior Se thing I think, I literally get performance anxiety over speaking at times, not because I lack social skills but because I'm tripping over myself - and I tend to be more focused on making sure everyone's emotions are on the same page - Fe. I think strong Te users are better at explaining their thoughts verbally, but have a hard time with written communication because it's so slow in comparison.

I read (well, skimmed) over the articles about the Inferior Functions, and I already kind of got over -- not completely -- the "fear of feeling" those ENTJs describe having. I used to have that intense fear of not showing emotions, and I'd force myself not to cry. At times I would enjoy that sick pleasure of sadness. I even thought laughing too much was too "revealing". Now I'm very open, compared to how I used to be, about my feelings and experiences. I do things that would make me appear to be a Feeling-type, but it took a lot of work to become comfortable with that side of me and to be able to show with it to others.

I relate much more to the INTJ article, as well as that one article "The Development of INTJ Children" by Grey.

Now I'm tackling that Se. ;D I'm very lucky to be tackling and getting over many of these emotional/mental obstacles already compared to many people my age.

Thank you again!

P.S.: I want to mention that when I first took a test based on MBTI long, long ago when I was less educated on the matter, I was tested as ENTP, and I believed I was. I "related", where in reality I tried to be like an ENTP, to most of their "traits", but I've always questioned it. Now I've learned I'm the complete opposite, according to the cognitive functions Ha. I've also saw somewhere that some INTJs actually "try" to be ENTPs? I just saw a comment, but I haven't done much research on it. I don't plan on it either.

Originally Posted by Opulent

Note: I believe I'm an INTJ, but I keep questioning it. I want to hear input, too. Don't say "You're XXXX" definitely, like you're 100% sure since it's still up to me to contemplate and choose for myself. Just say what you think it is and show back-up. I'm saying this because usually when people say "you're this" I usually snap and disregard your comment.

0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

Age 15. Major depression with psychotic symptoms. Mood disorder (ex: Bipolar). Anxiety Disorder. ADHD, but I still can't believe it. omfg I'm a mess. Though, I'm on medication, so it's balanced out. I'm not on any ADHD medicine right now. I also did not sleep at all last night.

1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.



The texture of the photo looks weird, tbh. Anyway, I can go many ways with this. I initially thought how the flashes of light could have suddenly turned into solid discs which you can use to glide. I also thought of how birds usually sing, but this one bird either has lost its voice, or wanted to try something different/likes human music/somehow learned how to work a radio/etc. So, going with the first thought of the bird losing its voice, it can only express itself with recorded music. Then I can make a whole story about this bird and that human, which can possibly end up killing the birds both with one stone. I imagine the music notes flying off the paper and the birds try to eat them, but it tastes like graphite. I can go on forever. Those yellow blocks annoy me. It looks like a little gate opening for a kid. Does that make sense? I get all these images in my head, but, ever since my mental issues have increased, my ability to describe them using specific vocabulary has declined. I have to sit and think longer about it. Oh, blue and yellow should not go together. It makes me think of weird yellow-bellied monsters with blue fur, or fir since they're monsters and monsters can have trees growing out their backs.

....I just reread the question and saw the word impression. It didn't say how far I could go with the impression.

2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?

Depends who I'm with and on my mood. Since we're going to a concert, then it's probably going to be with my friends. Which friends? To make it easier my close friends. (Usually all this thinking shoots through my head, but by being diligent I am able to type them down. Showing parts of my thought process will help you figure out my type.)

I'm probably be calm. I wouldn't really feel much. I would just get my phone, which happens to magically have 5 bars and 4G network. Let's pretend it's the latest iPhone. I can do anything. Look up the problem, call a friend, call a pick-up truck, etc. But really I would be calm, fix the problem, and tell everyone to shut up, which wouldn't be that difficult since most of my friends would already be quiet.

3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?

I've grown out of "hating" parties and "hating" people. It drains my energy. I'll either sit in the back and talk to some people. If I see something interesting, I'll jump in it. I'm not going to spend my time getting angry over things I can't control (thank you, Drama teacher). I'll make the best of it. I can shape my world.

4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?

I ask them why. Challenge them. Understand their side. Think. I wouldn't be quiet basically.

5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?

Depends what it is. Murder? Rape? Abuse? I'll jump in and stop it. I'm very open to other people's beliefs. I really don't try to stop them. I try to understand then say my side, too. Then we'll come to an agreement. It's interesting to have different types of people with colorful pasts and beliefs.

6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?

I don't think about my values all day long. I have better things to think about it. If a subject comes up, I'll say what I believe. Well, I just hate people lying to me because my younger sister always lied before. She'd steal my stuff. She'd lie even about the little things. If she should just tell the truth at first, I wouldn't get that angry. I want the truth. I usually tell the truth, especially about what I believe and what I am thinking. I've changed a little bit where I've learned that you have to lie sometimes. I'm a hypocrite.

7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? b) If you could change one thing about you personality, what would it be? Why?

a) I've always noticed I was different. I always get frustrated on how timid people can be, especially talking out taboo subjects. My beliefs, thought processing, humor, outspokenness, etc. have always been different.

b) My ability to get things done. Confidence. I'm working on it.

8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

They go by so fast that sometimes I can't stop my movement and listen to it. Though, I've been getting better and I've been listening to them. They're usually always right. I've just have tried so much to put myself "out there" so much I've left my head. I'm getting back into it now, and it feels so much better to be able to listen to your thoughts. I'm able to comprehend these hunches efficiently. I am able to think.

Also, these hunches happen every day, anywhere, and anytime.

9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

a) Track & Field. Exercising. Adrenaline-junkie activities. Actually doing my crazy ideas in the real world. I mean, the thing is, I rarely bring my crazy ideas in the real world, but I'm working on it. I realize that I can actually just sit down and think of doing crazy stuff like riding a motorcycle, and I become really energized. My heart begins to race. I have to move around because of how much energy I have. I make weird expressions on my face because I'm so immersed in my thoughts. I can just be sitting randomly and just jump up in the air, spilling out my ideas, cutting myself off, and saying a better idea. Then going back into my head and thinking. Realizing I'm in complete control of my life. Making art.

b) Anything I'm not interested in. Thinking about things that are unnecessary to think about. Thinking about things I can't control. Having conversations about other people. I hate that. There are so many better things to be talking about.

10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?

Not that much. I try my best to listen to my urges. It's me. I'm an artist. I try to live my life like one, too, molding the world into a place I want to live in.

I doubt ur a T........... I think you might be an F, you seem a bit like an INFP to me, but not 100% sure, and don't worry sweetie.