[Enneagram Type 9] description of disintegrating nines

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  1. #1
    Type 9


    description of disintegrating nines

    disintegrating nine's are very self-aware, and they know for a fact when they are being used or when their future plans will not work out. this is why they are moving towards disintegration (six) to begin with. nines that have been moving towards disintegration for a very long time can start to look like fours and fives, and of course sixes. these nines may look like well balanced fours or fives, but in reality they are nines that have been avoiding interpersonal relationships for a long time. explanation: secretely they want to get out of solitude, and back out there merging themselves with other people, but they feel safer staying indoors in solitude. nines are, at their core, based on interpersonal relationships. they want it, and they need it in order to get better. interpersonal relationships is what bring nines happiness in life. so they will always dream about interpersonal relationships, but will however still avoid it, just like fives may do.

    when nines who are prone to disintegration is evolved in interpersonal relationships they are likely to turn out with paranoid-like features much like that of a six. they second guess themselves, and doubt others. and since they are predominantly gut-based (nine) and head-aligned (six) they are likely to assume the outcome of the future in order to avoid what might wreck them.

    sensors in this regard, tend to hope and dream for better outcomes while trying to stay as realistic about the possible outcomes. they can float up into the sky in search for happiness among the clouds just like any other enneagram type and stay there for quite some time, but eventually they will want to grab a hold of one of the clouds and come back down to earth, realistically however- they can't capture clouds, and they know that. and yes, when i say clouds i mean hopes, dreams, general happiness, etc.

    because of their main type (nine) and its good-willed core and strong sense of hope, they have a hard time turning down hopes and dreams, whether it be their own hopes and dreams or others. hope is what drives the nines. which is why people tend to call them doormats. but truth of the matter is, that they hope for a better outcome while you're stomping all over them. nines believe in second chances. once, twice, three times, four; they will let you run them over simply beause they believe in something that might not even be there. because they believe in you; they believe that there is good in you. but they won't tell you about these second chances that they are giving you. and even if they do tell you about these second chances, they'll most likely only give you hints and then hope that you'll catch on sooner or later. and they do this simply because they believe that it is not in their rightful place to change who you are, you'll have to do it yourself. eventually, when none of these seeds (hints) take root, they'll become angry, maybe even vindictive. because it proves to them, once again, like so many times before, that the person they've put their fate in, the person they wanted to merge with, is just as fucked in the head like everyone else, including themselves. once this happens they might turn vicious and backstabbing. they might even cut you out of their life completely. and when they do, you will be left breathless wonder "what happened?".

    sensors in this regard (SP), does not easily forgive. in fact they may not ever.

    nines moving towards disintegration (six) is all about avoiding. they want to avoid bad feelings, they want to avoid thinking about the problem, they want to avoid all of these things that make them feel worthless, useless, without purpose, things that makes them want to bang their heads against the wall repeatedly (because nothing they do ever works). the most common way to avoid these problems, for a nine, is to sleep it off as soon as possible, and if that does not work they will try to drown their sorrows in gluttony. and when i say gluttony i do not necessarily mean food, it can mean beverages of all kind as well (usually non-alcoholic because experienced nines moving towards disintegration knows that alochol makes them feel worse), but usually it's about food or beverages that can boost their happiness (sugar content), or they'll use stronger narcotics like benzos or amphetamines when nothing else works.

    these nines are prone to sleep deprevation, panic attacks, social anxiety, agoraphobia, bipolar type ii, addiction, mental breakdown, catatonia, excessive anger (even violence) over little things, and shiczophrenia.

    written by michael angell
    disintegrating nine (self-preservation subtype)
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  2. #2
    Type 9


    it is also important that when you type yourself or others as nine, you need to differ your online persona from your real life persona. a nine online is not the same as a nine in person. on the internet we are not in direct contact with the people we communicate with. in short, nines do not look at internet communication/relationships as interpersonal communication/relationships.
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    Wow, that feels kind of disturbingly accurate..
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  4. #4
    Type 9w8

    Oh hey look, it's my life neatly explained to me. Again.
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    Type 3w4


    This doesn't sound like a 9 at all, the only part that is somewhat accurate is the fact that the 9 will stress to 6. They become anxious when they realize that their calm, easy-going nature might not be the best. They second guess the calm, and become more shaky.

    Your description works far better for a type 6, disintegration towards type 3. The entire thing is quite obviously parallel to your own experiences, but this is not a type 9 description. It's quite full of projection, and it seems like rationalizing why you once related to the type 6. It doesn't "look" 6, because it shows the line, it is just actually the ramblings of a 6.
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  6. #6
    Type 9


    the thing about the center triangle, tree, six, nine, is that at one point you can relate to all of them. so the easiest way to look at it is "when do i disintegrate, when do i integrate?"

    here's the defense mechanisms of the three:
    three - identification
    six - projection
    nine - narcotization

    me for example, can relate to six and nine. but overall nine. i can project somewhat, but i use narcotization constantly. while sixes are more prone to look for larger more pleasurable experiences / enjoyments in life as they move in direction of disintegration, nines are more prone to seek for pleasurable experiences / enjoyment in the smaller things (food, or beverages, cigarettes, pot or pills, sleep). and these minor things in life they consider only influences them- not others. most nines don't even recognize that they are using narcotization as a defense mechanism because they consider these minor things in life so minor.

    this is what i do:

    * go to sleep whenever i want to.
    * go to sleep whenever i feel disturbed/stressed/bored.
    * work hard to dismantle my level of empathy.
    * think in terms of black and white (my life in monochrome).
    * apathy / lack of care for own personal hygiene/health, and general cleanliness of the environment
    * go to the grocery store almost ever day, where i buy a 1-2 big packs of chocolate milk and 2-4 red bulls, perhaps a subway but i usually don't feel hungry. sometimes a pack of gummy bears or bag of chips. and i always make sure to have at least two packs of cigarettes on me at all times.
    * if i can get my hands on benzos, i'll eat it.
    * i miss pot. think i should go buy some soon. haven't smoked in a while.

    and since people have been stereotyping nines for so long, they have completely forgotten that nines are in the gut/anger triad. nines are based on anger, they may act compulsively and out of instinct. but nines moving in direction of disintegration don't particularly like acting out of instinct because of their close relation with six. they don't trust their instincts. and anger, we fear our own anger most of all. we've seen what we're capable of at our angriest. because when we do get angry we get unstoppably/infuriatingly angry. and so we try with all our might not to become angry. we try to drown our anger. we build up our anger over time untill the well runs over. and when it does, everything comes out at once. we are afraid of injuring ourselves and others when we become angry, which is why we wait untill everyone leaves and then we punch the wall, the mirror, or the window infront of us.

    what nines are prone to do is- lash out at indirect subjects in a passive-aggressive manner. for instance, on the internet, i will say outlandish shit about or to a large number of people passive-aggressively. it's usually never appointed to a specific individual, but if it is- i've encrypted it so much that they cannot figure out it's ment for them. in person, however, when loved ones bug me, i may lash out at them with comments that are degrading to their intelligence. for instance my ex-girlfriend had a problem with her computer, and so while i was doing my own thing (trying to get away from the world/problems around me) she comes to me with a problem that she should be able to fix herself (because when i bump into a problem i try to solve it myself for the longest time, and i also find her problem remarkably easy to solve), so i wanted her to fix it herself and therefore instead of actually telling her what to do or even look at her problem i said something that resembled "fuck me, you're stupid," even though that is not really what i said. afterwards i may realize what i've said and i tell to myself "agh, crap." but i still want the problem to go away so eventually i'll just stop whatever i'm doing, drink some red bull and then go to sleep. but most of the time i'm dismantled from ever raising my opinion. i rarely ever. i'd rather get along by not saying anything. because it is in my best interest to stay as one with this person, if they are close to me that is.
    Last edited by SyndiCat; 01-22-2011 at 11:50 PM.
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  7. #7
    Type 9


    Quote Originally Posted by Scruffy View Post
    This doesn't sound like a 9 at all, the only part that is somewhat accurate is the fact that the 9 will stress to 6. They become anxious when they realize that their calm, easy-going nature might not be the best. They second guess the calm, and become more shaky.

    Your description works far better for a type 6, disintegration towards type 3. The entire thing is quite obviously parallel to your own experiences, but this is not a type 9 description. It's quite full of projection, and it seems like rationalizing why you once related to the type 6. It doesn't "look" 6, because it shows the line, it is just actually the ramblings of a 6.
    so as soon as a nine raises his/her opinion on the internet, among strangers he/she do not care about, they're immediately not a nine? you have a weird way of typing people if you think the internet is anywhere near personal enough to lower a nines opinion. maybe this will come as a surprise, but ones internet persona and real life persona is not the same thing. you need to stop typing people's internet personas, the one they choose to show you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scruffy View Post
    This doesn't sound like a 9 at all, the only part that is somewhat accurate is the fact that the 9 will stress to 6. They become anxious when they realize that their calm, easy-going nature might not be the best. They second guess the calm, and become more shaky.

    Your description works far better for a type 6, disintegration towards type 3. The entire thing is quite obviously parallel to your own experiences, but this is not a type 9 description. It's quite full of projection, and it seems like rationalizing why you once related to the type 6. It doesn't "look" 6, because it shows the line, it is just actually the ramblings of a 6.
    Scruffy, really... As the 3-6-9 sit on a triad in the enneagram in terms of integration and disintegration are you surprised people from a nine would both strongly identify with 3 and 6 traits considering their general living for others wants and needs anyway?

    We should remember that the enneagram is the equivalent of sitting nine people in a room and that if you remove one person and put a different person in the whole sequence can change as a consequence for 3-6-9, this could be really tricky for them as a group.

    My comment is: Mike isn't projecting, he's just relaying his 3-6-9 experiences and against a strong 3 he might feel more 6 or against a strong 6 he might feel more 9 and so on.

  9. #9

    thank you for this. although i'm curious as to what a healthy/integrating nine would look like... (productive? haha)

    is there a healthy merging for the 9 at all? i would imagine this would occur only if they found a compromise between maintaining their sense of self but also integrating with the world. i don't know, i always associate merging with self-forgetting but perhaps there is a "self-remembering" version of merging. yes, no?
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    Type 3w2

    Quote Originally Posted by SyndiCat View Post
    these nines are prone to sleep deprevation, panic attacks, social anxiety, agoraphobia, bipolar type ii, addiction, mental breakdown, catatonia, excessive anger (even violence) over little things, and shiczophrenia.

    written by michael angell
    disintegrating nine (self-preservation subtype)
    Im very dubious of assigning severe mental illnesses on personality types, in my experience, schizophrenia can occur within any type, it doesn't seem correct that someone's type would give clues to serious mental illness, maybe depression, anxiety, avoidant personality disorder but not something like schizophrenia. Anyone care to dispute this?


 
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