What is it like for you? As a two would you lose your compassion and kindness? Would you become angry?
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What is it like for you? As a two would you lose your compassion and kindness? Would you become angry?
It takes extreme personal anguish for me to disintegrate to the point where I'll actually get physical.
When I'm unhealthy it feels psychotic. I don't completely dissociate myself from my compassion, but I can definitely put it in the back of my mind in a fit of rage.
Afterwords, once I've calmed down, that compassion starts to come back. If I've done something destructive, I regret it. I go back and think about things I said, or what I threw or hit, and feel only intense sadness that my situation with someone got to that point.
It feels like a complete loss of humanity.
When my type 2 mum disintegrates, it seems to take the form of self-righteous anger and bossiness. I think it's her compassion and kindness that stops her from becoming outright aggressive with others. You can tell that in these states she's constantly trying to convince herself of how other people are in the wrong and that she's got the right to be angry with them. Sometimes she'll even do or say something she knows will provoke a hostile response so she feels more justified in her anger. She's a pretty healthy 2 though so this doesn't happen often.
When I was a teenager I lived in a constant state of type 8. When I first heard of the enneagram my first question was can our types change over time. But then I looked back to my childhood and who I am now and its obvious I have always been a 2. As a teen I argued with politics or touchy subjects with everyone. I was RIGHT and everyone that disagreed with me was WRONG. I was bossy and controlling. I am nothing like this now. I am very laid back, LOATHE conflict with others, and I don't give a hoot about politics anymore. This makes sense because I was a very stressed teen and now that I'm on my own I'm not too stressed anymore. When I do get stressed or in a rare conflict with someone I can definitely be bossy and lose my control of my emotions very easily.
I have no problem with lending a helping hand. But when the receiver does not show any form of reciprocation, gratitude or just won't get off their ass to better themselves, I get to the point of 'why bother?' and just shut them off.
In addition, if I do this for a large group of people, say a department full of co-workers, and there is very little to null feedback, I shun the entire department for even agreeing to participate in the first place and not try regardless of the little cliques of whatever relationships I've formed with them.
If I'm not worth their time, they should have told me from the get-go and not waste mines (and resources, but that's another story). My patience may be abundant, but my time stamina for efforts is not.
I don't think I've ever disintegrated but I imagine it would look a lot like what @gerardio posted. I have a hard time with 8 though it's the only E type I couldn't find similarities with.

I've been to level 9 before. Imagine a puppeteer who tries to make everyone dance on the palm of his hand when the basic type 2 desires are out of grasp. That's what it feels like.
This is supposedly much more obvious in unhealthy 2w3 types. Unhealthy 2w1 types do that stealthily and subtly.
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