[Curiously]

Discipline to principles regarding duty over desires is something emphasized by 1s, and they're often proned to personal obligation. Ya, principles don't work in a case-by-case basis.

I would disagree, but then again, I'm a Type 5... ;)

[Wake]

I would disagree, but then again, I'm a Type 5... ;)

You're right, poor wording. I'm too lazy to fix it too.

[Curiously]

You're right, poor wording. I'm too lazy to fix it too.

No worries. I was teasing you. For the sake of brevity though, I won't go into all the examples of how my sister's Type 1 outlook and my Type 5 outlook mesh really well in that we're able to shine a light on each others' blindspots in how we process and analyze issues. It just works, and I also admire how principled she really is. I am principled as well, but I suppose I tend to be more lenient and rounded in how I apply my principles; my sister is more a force to be reckoned as it relates to the application of her principles, lol. I hope this makes some sense. I'm sorry if I haven't articulated this so well. :T

[Steel Magnolia]

I thought I'd like to add something from my own experience (just learned I am a 1, not a 6): re: anger style. They say it takes a lot for a 1 to get angry/violent. Well, what if your moral code teaches self-defense? I was physically abused in childhood, and once I entered my teens, I started hitting back. And the reason I did this was self-defense. I am not opposed to anger in and of itself, just violent anger. I actually really hate violent acts, but I do believe that if you are in danger, then you are more than justified in retaliating physically. Also, it was a way of regaining self-control (i.e. hitting my abuser back- he was dangerous and could have seriously hurt or killed me).

This is just my observation, but I think when a 1 does show anger, it is more likely to be *defensive*, rather than *offensive* (pretty rare for a 1 to go looking for a fight, unless they are under stress). I actually have no problem with anger in and of itself. I just don't like violent expressions of it. To me, that's a misuse of anger. Anger need not be violent- peaceful political protests are a good example of non-violent anger. I'm pretty sure that people who attend those are incredibly angry about whatever issue it is they are protesting. They just chose a better way of expressing it, IMO.

[Wake]

Timeless gave good input into the subject:

It's good that you have your core type narrowed down to 1 and 6 because it's my view that these types are nearly identical except for the triad they sit in and their wings. Both of them are strong superego types so they can be very similar in some ways and different in others. Sixes are more concerned with the consistency of their thoughts, and Ones are more concerned with the consistency of their actions. Inconsistency in sixes causes anxiety (and prompts them to "troubleshoot" out the problem, potentially making them more anxious) and in ones, this causes irritation or anger.

[Steel Magnolia]

Hmmm...I worry about the consistency of both thoughts and actions, but because I am image-conscious, the consistency of my actions seems to matter more to me (the whole fear that people will see me as "selfish" or "bad" if they knew some of the things I'm struggling with both physically and mentally).

[Wake]

Hmmm...I worry about the consistency of both thoughts and actions, but because I am image-conscious, the consistency of my actions seems to matter more to me (the whole fear that people will see me as "selfish" or "bad" if they knew some of the things I'm struggling with both physically and mentally).

I'm tempted to say that 1s are more about proving it to themselves that they are good and holy by some means, and others' opinions are not the central focus. Proving to yourself that you are incorruptible.

From my experience, I've never got that issue with consistency of thoughts.

[Steel Magnolia]

Proving to yourself that you are incorruptible.

Oh, trust me, I do look for signs. I wrote a story about an encounter I had with my therapist's cat on this forum, and how this animal basically broke down a barrier. Long story short, I was the first client that this little cat had approached. And when she came up to me, I felt really touched. The thought I had was that I must be a *fundamentally good person*, as animals seem to have almost a "sixth sense" about which humans are trustworthy and which aren't. I felt that if I was bad, the cat would have avoided me. But she did not. And apparently, she is now approaching other clients. My therapist thinks I helped her kitty open up to other people, and may be keeping the cat as a therapy pet because of what happened with me. To me, this was basically a challenge saying, "Be as nice to yourself as you are to others." It is easier said than done, for me.

[Wake]

I thought I'd like to add something from my own experience (just learned I am a 1, not a 6): re: anger style. They say it takes a lot for a 1 to get angry/violent. Well, what if your moral code teaches self-defense? I was physically abused in childhood, and once I entered my teens, I started hitting back. And the reason I did this was self-defense. I am not opposed to anger in and of itself, just violent anger. I actually really hate violent acts, but I do believe that if you are in danger, then you are more than justified in retaliating physically. Also, it was a way of regaining self-control (i.e. hitting my abuser back- he was dangerous and could have seriously hurt or killed me).

I still take issue with this. A 1 doesn't lower themselves to the uncontrolled ways in their resentment or they would hate themselves also because the standard is higher of you should conduct yourself. The 1 would be opening themselves up to corruption. It's infinitely more likely that they fight back by some other means.

A social 1 could take up a code of violence, like Osama Bin Laden, but that requires some pretty special circumstances, Sharia Law.

I'm not at home to show RH's text about SP6s but I think this is in line with the SP 6 though and their focus on survival and trust issues.

This subject is thread-worthy though.

[Steel Magnolia]

I still take issue with this. A 1 doesn't lower themselves to the uncontrolled ways in their resentment or they would hate themselves also because the standard is higher of you should conduct yourself. The 1 would be opening themselves up to corruption. It's infinitely more likely that they fight back by some other means.

A social 1 could take up a code of violence, like Osama Bin Laden, but that requires some pretty special circumstances, Sharia Law.

I'm not at home to show RH's text about SP6s but I think this is in line with the SP 6 though and their focus on survival and trust issues.

This subject is thread-worthy though.

I think you and I have very different ideas about what constitutes "corruption". Do I like the idea of revenge? No. I don't think self-defense is about revenge, I think it's about saving your life. To me, I think it is worse to let someone else violate you, if you are able to defend yourself. Now, I understand that not everyone *can* defend themselves. And I don't know who is who, so I can't judge others. But I always judge *myself*. You know how I would have felt if I hadn't tried to defend myself (i.e. help myself, really)? I would have felt *guilty*. But again- that is me. It's my issue, and I am dealing with it.

Here is a question: The Old Testament teaches, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." Now, I am not religious and so I have an undecided stance on this issue. But, there are religions that promote this view (eg. some forms of Judaism). That is a part of their *moral code*. So, if that is a person's moral code, and they believe in that fully, is it impossible for that individual to be a 1?