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    Could Dexter Morgan be a 1w9?

    Some people say Dexter is 6w5 or 3w4 or 1w9.

    I just watched Season 4 of Dexter (Be warned: SPOILERS AHEAD), and this after learning about the Enneagram. (I watched the previous seasons before learning about it) I've got to know my type very well over the last months, and while watching Dexter S04E01 I got an epiffany & realized that Dexter was just like me, a 1w9. I will try explain why, and also why he is not 6w5 or 3w4. This might a bit biased, since I'm 1w9. I could argue even that there is a 2wing hidden in him as well. (sounds wierd for a psychokiller) I could go on writing a lot more with these observations of Dexter I've had. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.


    He is 1, because if this:

    Perfectionsm: His clean kills, everything has to be perfect & his perfect cleaning up.
    (3s are also known for their perfectionism, but for totally different reasons)
    He clearly tries everything to avoid failing. He aborts kills if it is to risky, he relocates them to a totally secure location. He is clearly driven by the fear of not failing, (which seems like a 6, but is not) note that law no1 in Dexter's code is "Do not get caught" aka "Do not fail"

    1s are driven by what is right and wrong. And this is clearly shown his moral code. Dexters criminal record is clean (on paper) and is only broken for the greater good. Dexter shows the right and wrong in his target pickings, and in season 4, he spares Lumans life, because it is not right to kill her. This moral code, is normally shown from an inner critic voice. This is Harry.

    There is a big difference between him and his fellow psycho killers. Some say Dexter is artistic (the 4 in 3w4), though he clearly isnt compared to his fellow guys. Rather the Art of Skill and perfection is an very exitment to a 1. Dexter never focuses on the Art side, always the perfection and what is right. Also note that his throphys, aren't shown (like the urn or the barrels or the drained up bodies) but hidden, and only a drop of blod, for the reminder of the rightful kill of an guilty man. This is why he is not a 3w4 because he is not driven by the goal to be the best, or show the best artwork like many of his fellow psycho killers. If he would, he would show it to the world (though he is a cop), rather he hides it deep in the sea, so that no one would ever find out. 1s don't like the spotlight very much, and the sign that he is a 1w9 is that he always tries to slip away from the spotlight. Also, if he was a 3, he would try climb the ranks, in some way. To achieve more, this however, is not the case in Dexter. He doesn't need anything more. The world doesn't attract him.

    Dexter sees very fast if something isn't right, if something is off, at every crime scene. He also sees when something is perfectly done, that intrigues him. This is where his detective skills come handy. 1s are great thinkers, but they decide out of gut feeling, not head. This is why so many times they takes decisions that might be wrong. A 6 or a 5 wouldn't dare to act until they are sure. This is why the code keeps him at bay here, because he has derailed several times.

    1w9 is also called idealist. His main goal the optimal or the best way. This is his main priority. Because so many killers get on the loose, he sees that the court system is flawed, therefore acting and working hard to achieve the righteous judgement, not to mention the most ideal way, to see them pay for their crimes by death (according to his moral standards).
    1w9 tend to procrastinate the things that are 2nd on their priorities, his family & relationships. Dexter also has an ideal way of all relationship, therefore the wife, kids, car, house, everything typical normal idealistic harmony. It is his best cover also. He is also trying to look for the ideal woman, and always tries to find someone who might understand his inner darkness. In season 2, he almost found that in Lila, though it wasnt good enough, though he got his hopes up. Rita was just the ideal cover (sorry guys) though good enough for the cover and we always see him discussing with himself, Rita. He is concerned that if she finds out what monster he is, he will destroy her. He is simply afraid of leaving her, because of the family, I believe that Dexter really never loved Rita. He got simply blowned off that his cover got blown and his ideal life shed to pieces. I also admires Trinitys ideal ways first (gut) then finds out that it isnt as ideal. He finally meets someone (Lumen), who he understands, and gets totally shattered in the end when she turns him down, because finally, het let someone who knew a part of him, inner darkness, and accepted him. This is typical 1 as well, because they are afraid of leting people see who they really are. They are afraid of being hurt, afraid of failing at relationships. And in the end, he says that he accepts it and will carry that for her, that burden, "the dark passanger". This is also one of the clearest traits that Dexter is a 1. Because they are carrying the burdens of others, the burdens of the world, to the end of depression. They have a hard time finding it to be happy, they can feel very sad. Time to time we see Deb tell him to cheer up. That is typical to find in a 1w9. Also, very rarly we accept that "this was a perfect kill" or "this was the best way" rather, we aknowledge our almost mistakes, or the flawed ways that might have gone wrong. He also is very strict with himself, and when things gets out of hand, he blames HIMSELF, and only himself.

    Dexter can be easy to deceive, this might be his greatest weakness. (we see this in the case of his brother (who truly understood him) in the case of Trinity. He believes what people tell him or what he sees (if he doens't know better) So many things I could point to here. He is an excellent teacher, to both his students. He is a good "Father" when he is around. All these are typical 1 traits.

    We see also more the 9 side of him, when he doesnt know how to face the world as a suspect of the FBI. He runs at first, this is a clear sign of the 9, then he decides to do the right thing. This is why he is a 1w9. The 1 wins in the end. the 9 we se also in his relationships, they need good with everyone. He isn't the first to show hard feelings towards people, except if they've done something wrong. If something is off with someone (like with his stepdaugther) he isn't at ease with it until its settled.

    Gut feeling
    He also over and over again shows his Gut feeling. In the beginning of season 4 we see a very sloppy Dexter. He isn't thinking, but acting on his gut feeling, going for it, not because of feelings (hate, thirst, etc) and not because he has somehow had a well thought out (flawed) method, but because of the impulse his Gut saying that this guy is the killer, and go for it, he believes it very fast that he is right, before he regrets his mistakes, because of his gut. He also, never hates anyone, rather he dislikes them, and has an "off" gut feeling about them. (Quinn, Doakes) Though he doenst show it with "hating" them or confront them (rather avoiding them, because of the 9) and trying not to blow his cover and rather keep an ok relationship with them.

    His thirst for blood, is his way of feeding himself, his ego. 1s have our ways to dig ourself in when we are either depressed (we procrastinate the problem and go, in this case kill) and in some cases, we lose control.

    Dexter is also clearly has a more of an anger issue rather than shame or fear. This clearly puts him in the 8-9-1 section. His anger bursts when there is stuff he cant fix, or get right. (eg. ritas death (killed that dude in the bathroom for no reason), lumens rejection (throwed the plate at the oven)) These things are shown countless of times.

    Dexter is, CLEARLY in my opinion, without doubt, a 1w9.

    PS. I am aware of my 1 bursting out here, though this might be the wrong forum to ask. But does this make any sense? Could he be any of the other types? And why?
    Last edited by Lightshadow86; 07-05-2011 at 06:45 PM. Reason: typos, visibilty
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    I vote 6 for Dexter.

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    why do you think he is a 6?

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    I don't even see how a lot of what you said applies to ones, and theres a lot of speculation about his motives that I don't really agree with, such as the strong 'right' and 'wrong' thing. That was more harrys thing. Dexter didn't pick the guys he killed, wanting to rid the earth of scum.. he picks those because harry told him to never kill someone innocent. If it hadn't been for harrys instruction then who knows how dexter would have ended up. The 1 is not dexters.

    Dexter is concerned with having a normal life, despite his 'dark passenger' which makes him operate primarily on his facade mode (3). His thinking is more clean and structured like a 5, where he makes decisions on premises, sticks to them, leading to his conclusion. 6 for his head type is absurd, because he would make lots of mistakes, second guessing those premises, leaving details unchecked in a sloppy fashion -- but hes meticulous, carefully from a - z like a 5. I say 9 for his gut fix because his calm is not easily penetrable like it would be with a 1, and he doesn't have the boundary/pride issue that can make him bow up at times like an 8.

    I also came across this, from 'enneagram explorations' on the 3-5-9
    "The 3,5 and 9 all conceal who they are in favor of who they think they need to be. 3 adapts to their environment to give us their best image, the 5 wants camouflage to hide detection to feel safe and the 9 wants to match their environment and go along to get along. The 369 needs to adjust to feel seen, safe and peaceful. The 359 needs to adjust to avoid detection and scrutiny."

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    Well, I am well aware of that the code isn't Dexters, still he decides to stick to it, different from all those he has taught the code to. Doesn't mean he cant be a 1, if his mentor was one. The normal life is exactly his ideal life. Ones are actually quite 3ish aswell. They tend to hide away stuff that doesn't seem perfect in their lives. 1s mistake themselves as 3s often. Though the motivation behind his whole life project, is not a 3s, rather he states over and over again when he sums up why he kills people, that scums like X and Y does not deserve to live, because of their crimes. Also, clean and structured thinking doesn't necessarily point to a 5, 1s can have that pretty much as well. This is why 1s often mistake themselves for 5s, because they think a lot too. You still don't solve his anger issues, that points to a 8-9-1 rather than fear of a 7-6-5. I still would say his motives behind what he is doing is still a 1s.

    but hes meticulous, carefully from a - z like a 5
    though this is pretty much a 1 as well. Except from Dexter is taking a lot of risks quite often, which is his Gut feeling kicking in. During failed kills, A 5 would more back out when things didn't go exactly as planned, rather I would say Dexter adapts.
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    Type 9

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightshadow86 View Post
    Some people say Dexter is 6w5 or 3w4 or 1w9.

    I just watched Season 4 of Dexter (Be warned: SPOILERS AHEAD), and this after learning about the Enneagram. (I watched the previous seasons before learning about it) I've got to know my type very well over the last months, and while watching Dexter S04E01 I got an epiffany & realized that Dexter was just like me, a 1w9. I will try explain why, and also why he is not 6w5 or 3w4. This might a bit biased, since I'm 1w9. I could argue even that there is a 2wing hidden in him as well. (sounds wierd for a psychokiller) I could go on writing a lot more with these observations of Dexter I've had. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
    I understand where you're coming from with this argument. In recent seasons dexter has become increasingly like a type 1. Thinking about things with a moral overtone as well as everything else you mentioned. That's actually a criticism i have of the show, he's less believable as a serial killer now because he's too nice and not manipulative enough.

    But i think he's a 6w5. Loyal to those he's close to, but feeling like an outsider who needs to be on guard the whole time. Also, if you look at how Dexter acts in the first season he is much more manipulative, cunning and self-serving (like in the novels). Too much so to be inherently 1w9 in behaviour in my opinion.
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    Type 1

    @OP - No, I don't think that Dexter is a 1w9. He loves killing people. He has an urge to kill people. His father simply instructed him to take out criminals, because "If you're gonna kill people, you might as well kill bad people". It has nothing to do with Dexter's sense of justice, but it has everything to do with justifying his own actions, which any other person would find horrific, with the moral code his parents instilled in him.

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    This urge of killing people as his pleasure doesn't act against him being a 1? It might be wrong for us, but in his view, that is the right thing to do. The urge of killing is his pleasure, this is what, when he is stressed or doesn't tackle life or situations around, he desires to kill in order to get satisfied. Self pleasure, just like 1s get when they get stressed (as bad 4s)

    You cannot put so much of his life and actions into Harrys moral code, and Dexter that not being a part of Dexter as well. It is not as one sided in my opinion!

    How do you explain the other points I make? they are clearly 1s. and what is your option and how do you argue your case? If you state he is not 1, then come with something?! Often people has to look trough some major 1 stuff and ignore it, it is the main motivation that counts! Like not all 1s are have perfectionism shown (a 1 with a messy apartment can still be a perfectionist) & nor all 7s are extroverted. It is their motivation behind their action that matter!! And in Dexters case, his cause is just.

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    Type 1


    I haven't been following the entire series, so I'll offer a more considered opinion when I see more of the show. I don't think psychopathic vigilante serial killer is likely to be among the more popular occupations for type 1w9. Homicide accomplished to achieve order and peace?! I would think more likely ISTP 5w6 in his case.
    Last edited by aus2020; 07-18-2011 at 08:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aus2020 View Post
    I haven't been following the entire series, so I'll offer a more considered opinion when I see more of the show. I don't think psychopathic vigilante serial killer is likely to be among the more popular occupations for type 1w9. Homicide accomplished to achieve order and peace?! I would think more likely ISTP 5w6 in his case.
    I don't think Dexter looks at it that way. He doesn't see anything wrong with killing, as I explained. That is his righteousness. The killers without righteous sense, Dexter will hunt down himself and kill in the right way. And to say he is psychopathic, I wouldn't go so far, though I understand your reasoning.

    And btw, I think most people agree on that Dexter is ISTJ or INTJ, at least what I've read from other forums.


     
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