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    Do people try to deal with the problems with their leading functions?

    Well, it's not so much that they "try to", the leading function is "how you basically are", it's something that you can't change about yourself.

    So for example, it might look something like this:

    INXps: Try to deal with problems by retreating into their minds, like Enneagram Type 4s and 5s
    ENXps: Try to deal with problems by having as much opportunities as possible and becoming "perfect", like Enneagram Type 3s.
    IXXjs: Try to deal with their problems by relying on their "systems", like Enneagram Type 1s
    EXTjs: Try to deal with problems by becoming more competent and practical
    ISXjs: Try to deal with problems by being more harmonious, like Enneagram Type 9s
    ESXps: Try to deal with problems by becoming more reckless, like Enneagram Type 7s.

    What you're insecure about might also have to do with your weak, insecure or neurotic functions.

    For example, I think I have a neurotic Fi. I am terrified of rejection. So I use my Fe in a negative way to emotionally "evaluate" others, and if I think that they're rejecting, then I avoid them and retreat into my own mind. It might also be the same with insecure Te, etc. But the real issue is that I'd have to deal with my insecure Fi. My leading and creative functions only work as tools to achieve my own goals, which can be either healthy or neurotic, positive or negative.



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    I'm not sure.

    How do I deal with my problems?

    I withdraw... do nothing...? Idunno what function does this with me.

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    I don't understand the OP. I'm an enneagram 1 ESFj. I have no issues with any of my functions. I'm not insecure about who I am.

    While I agree that people can't change their leading functions, they can change how these functions are expressed. I can be the stereotypical ESFj, nice-to-everyone-kind of person who cares about my image (like an enneagram 2 or 3) or I can just limit the judgment to myself and draw the focus away from the external world (enneagram 1). I understand this combination is rare. Enneagram 1 is usually associated with thinking than feeling. I'm curious as to how @lavendersnow relates to this? (Since you are both IEIs I would like to see how you differ in this attitude from the OP.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Ribbon View Post
    I don't understand the OP. I'm an enneagram 1 ESFj. I have no issues with any of my functions. I'm not insecure about who I am.

    While I agree that people can't change their leading functions, they can change how these functions are expressed. I can be the stereotypical ESFj, nice-to-everyone-kind of person who cares about my image (like an enneagram 2 or 3) or I can just limit the judgment to myself and draw the focus away from the external world (enneagram 1). I understand this combination is rare. Enneagram 1 is usually associated with thinking than feeling. I'm curious as to how @lavendersnow relates to this? (Since you are both IEIs I would like to see how you differ in this attitude from the OP.)
    I do love being summoned - you should do it more often Bibbon

    I am completely at peace with my dom function - Ni. I have no issues with it. The only problem a dom Ni causes is that it is easily misunderstood by others, I would argue, perhaps the most misunderstood function since the number of people who have it as their dom mode of thinking is low in the population.

    My short summary of why Ni is hard to understand, even from an inside perspective is that it is perhaps the most unconscious function there is. When most people, non-INFJs, get a hunch or gut feeling, that gut feeling is likely to be as right or wrong as any random guess. Ni is different, it takes in information, unconscious to the user most of the time and puts together a reasoning for why something is the way it is - body language, tone of voice, microexpressions etc.

    The conclusion is delivered to the user and because they were not conscious of the processes which lead to that conclusion, it is hard to relay to others and even one's self, how one got to that deliberation and more significantly, why it merits being listened to. Just 'knowing', when other people usually don't trust their own gut feelings, gives of the impression that you're just guessing.

    In the end, these conclusions give the impression of the user either being psychic (when the conclusion turns out to be correct) or delusional (when the facts of the matter aren't obvious or don't exist to others).

    In relation to what you've said, I agree with both you and the OP, to a degree. I wouldn't say I think about rejection often but unconsciously, I do try avoid it at any costs. While I am an open person, with what I feel is little to hide, there are parts of myself I have accepted since I was a child that I would never let others near. I may be a head-strong thinking individual - due to the 1 enneagram, but I'm a typically sensitive INFJ and since I am attuned to social graces and communication - even if one's intentions were not to hurt me and I see 100% logically that they weren't trying to, on the inside I still feel misunderstood, rejected and unappreciated.

    However, I have zero issues with any of my functions. While Se is my worst developed function, I don't have any ill-feelings towards it or towards Se doms for example. I get along with ESFPs very well, ESTP I genereally try to keep my distance from due to their insensitiy and Se-Ti combination (which usually rubs me the wrong way). But I similarly have no issues with my Fe or Ti.

    To answer OP's thread question: do you deal with your problems with your leading function? Of course I do, everyone does. Ni is my first port of call - I want to understand how things work and why they matter - combined with Fe, I want to know why things work, how they do and how they affect people as a whole for the better. Combined with my Ti, I try to keep my decisions and the way I treat people and the information I've gathered from them consistent as I put a plan of action together in my mind. And in combination with Se, I try to keep my facts straight and make sure I haven't missed out any vital empirical data before I go ahead with my actions.

    I have a very developed Te, so I have little to no issues related to that function, enough to the point where INTJ is the only other possible type for me. If I do have issues with certain functions, it's when they're mainfesting in unhealthy people of unhealthy types, not usually focus
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    It makes sense that when people deal with serious situations or problems in their life, the first thing they cognitively rely on are the processes that work for them smoothly and which they know best - their strong IEs. Being cornered with a problem, I usually try to find more resources and information to increase my competence for dealing with a problem and push it through in order to solve it. Not all problems can be remedied with this approach though. Sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AAADD Edison View Post
    I'm not sure.

    How do I deal with my problems?

    I withdraw... do nothing...? Idunno what function does this with me.
    I think this is mostly related to introversion, which makes sense. They retreat to their leading introverted function.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Ribbon View Post
    I don't understand the OP. I'm an enneagram 1 ESFj. I have no issues with any of my functions. I'm not insecure about who I am.
    Well, I suppose I'm talking more about people with problems, or people who are going through problems. If you have no issues with your functions, then you must be a balanced, healthy person. I think that you're more likely to be insecure with matters relating to your weaker or unvalued functions, because you're not confident with them.

    I understand this combination is rare. Enneagram 1 is usually associated with thinking than feeling.
    I think EIIs are usually Type 1s. ENFjs are also possible. XXFj 1s are probably not that rare.

    Quote Originally Posted by To_august View Post
    It makes sense that when people deal with serious situations or problems in their life, the first thing they cognitively rely on are the processes that work for them smoothly and which they know best - their strong IEs. Being cornered with a problem, I usually try to find more resources and information to increase my competence for dealing with a problem and push it through in order to solve it. Not all problems can be remedied with this approach though. Sigh.
    Well, this is more or less what I meant. It's obvious that people try to deal with problems with their leading functions, because it's who they are. But what I find more interesting is that your problems and insecurities are probably more related to your weaker or unvalued functions, because you're unsure and uncertain of them. Why would you feel uncertain of things that you're confident in? You don't. And you're probably confident in something, because you use them a lot, you're familiar with them. You use your main functions so frequently and effortlessly that you're unlikely to be insecure of things relating to your main functions.

    For example, even a very insecure Te type would not feel at all insecure about gathering resources or being "competent". A very insecure Fe type would not have any insecurities about matters dealing with emotions. And so on. But people with those weaker functions would have those insecurities.

    But the insecurities with the other non-main functions might lead to over-reliance on your strong functions. A Te type might keep gathering more resources and information, but do nothing with them. A Ti type might keep analyzing data but do nothing with them. A Fe type might keep gathering emotional information but do nothing with them. And so on.

    I'd suppose "doing nothing" is more to do with introversion, so a Ne-leading extraverted type might keep aimlessly looking for new opportunities. A Fe-leading extraverted type might become more emotional and charming and try to get people on their side. Etc. But! This all means nothing if the purpose is to just cover up their insecurities. They'd have to use their main functions for good, for positive purposes. It might also help to try not to avoid your weaker, unvalued functions too much.

    I think that you can potentially be insecure of any of your non-EGO functions (leading and creative). I'm a Fe type so I'm supposed to be strong in Fi, yet I'm insecure of relationships and knowing where I stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShuttleRun View Post
    Well, this is more or less what I meant. It's obvious that people try to deal with problems with their leading functions, because it's who they are. But what I find more interesting is that your problems and insecurities are probably more related to your weaker or unvalued functions, because you're unsure and uncertain of them. Why would you feel uncertain of things that you're confident in? You don't. And you're probably confident in something, because you use them a lot, you're familiar with them. You use your main functions so frequently and effortlessly that you're unlikely to be insecure of things relating to your main functions.

    For example, even a very insecure Te type would not feel at all insecure about gathering resources or being "competent". A very insecure Fe type would not have any insecurities about matters dealing with emotions. And so on. But people with those weaker functions would have those insecurities.

    But the insecurities with the other non-main functions might lead to over-reliance on your strong functions. A Te type might keep gathering more resources and information, but do nothing with them. A Ti type might keep analyzing data but do nothing with them. A Fe type might keep gathering emotional information but do nothing with them. And so on.

    I'd suppose "doing nothing" is more to do with introversion, so a Ne-leading extraverted type might keep aimlessly looking for new opportunities. A Fe-leading extraverted type might become more emotional and charming and try to get people on their side. Etc. But! This all means nothing if the purpose is to just cover up their insecurities. They'd have to use their main functions for good, for positive purposes. It might also help to try not to avoid your weaker, unvalued functions too much.

    I think that you can potentially be insecure of any of your non-EGO functions (leading and creative). I'm a Fe type so I'm supposed to be strong in Fi, yet I'm insecure of relationships and knowing where I stand.
    I agree that feeling of inadequacy about weak IEs is frequently manifested in the form of insecurities. "Never" is not the word to use when it comes to information processing though, I think. People may feel insecure about their strong IEs as well, it's just that the reason for insecurity felt would be different.

    For example, if someone was brought up by people who devalue strong IEs of that person, and actively emphasize aspects that the person devalues or has as their weak ones, it may become a source of insecurity and/or confusion on the account of whether the person's input is valuable to the society at all.

    Potentially insecurities can be experienced with all IEs, both weak and strong, the reason of their occurrence and the ability to shake them off would differ though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by To_august View Post
    I agree that feeling of inadequacy about weak IEs is frequently manifested in the form of insecurities. "Never" is not the word to use when it comes to information processing though, I think. People may feel insecure about their strong IEs as well, it's just that the reason for insecurity felt would be different.

    For example, if someone was brought up by people who devalue strong IEs of that person, and actively emphasize aspects that the person devalues or has as their weak ones, it may become a source of insecurity and/or confusion on the account of whether the person's input is valuable to the society at all.

    Potentially insecurities can be experienced with all IEs, both weak and strong, the reason of their occurrence and the ability to shake them off would differ though.
    Well, I feel like I'd need to properly define what I mean by an "insecurity". My definition of confidence and insecurity would be the confidence or the lack of confidence in being successful at doing something, not whether it would be acceptable or unacceptable (although that, too, create an insecurity).

    For example, if I were to ride a bicycle everyday, then it's obvious that I'd be very confident in being able to ride a bike, riding it really well, even. If you were to present me with a bicycle and tell me to ride it, then I'd be very confident in the ability to do so. I think strong IEs are like that, you use them all the time so effortlessly without much thought that you'd be very confident in using them properly and being able to manage situations where using those IEs are needed.

    I'm not sure if the weak/unvalued IEs are the lack of innate ability in being able to use them, or the infrequency of using them (they're counter-balanced by the strong IEs), or both. You might have the ability to ride a bicycle, but you just haven't rode it very much. Or you might not have the ability to ride at all. Whatever it is, I think they're usually compensated by strong IEs. But it might also be a good idea to "practice" using your weaker IEs sometimes.

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    By the way, as a Fe type, I grew up in an environment where Fe expressions were not very encouraged. As a result, I'm not very good at expressing outward emotions, although I don't think that's uncommon with IEIs. I also don't think that there was much Fi to develop, so I think my Fi is rather insecure.

    But I mean, internally my Fe is retained. I can read and understand emotions very well, and I'd have little to no problem being put in a situation where the emotions are high and volatile. I think that you just unconsciously seek and practice your strong IEs almost all the time.

    It's possible that even if your strong IEs were not accepted externally, they may still be kept intact internally. If they were not accepted neither internally nor externally... then well, the person may develop severe psychic problems as a result.

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    There's something to this.


     
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