[PlushWitch]

Does anyone know how and if that is possible? I'm not an expert yet... but I have read that a MBTI INFJ is an INFp in Socionics and vice versa. But I really did many tests from both theories and I got always the "same" results: INFJ/j. And it seems to me that they're really actually taking the same personality traits to say who is a J/j or P/p...

Any ideas?

[penchant]

Does this (How to convert MBTI® type to Socionics type) help?

I'm no expert on Socionics, but have been trying to relate the J/j thing for understanding my own type. I came to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a rule of J=p and P=j.

Also, this (J/P switch - Wikisocion) can give more info on the relation between MBTI and Socionics...

But as I said I'm no expert... Just saying, there may not be a very clear answer to this...

[PlushWitch]

I had already read on those pages before. But now you made me read them again and I guess I came to the same conclusion as you did.

Though I found it quite difficult to understand what they're trying to say and had to read that stuff several times ...even read it out loud...

Imo, they should make their pages a bit less complicated for "foreign" readers.

but yeah, thanks.

[Ethanol]

I've been getting the same results where I'm an INFJ in both MBTI and Socionics O__O;

[cyamitide]

Socionics INFj is Fi leading and Ne creative so unless you are MBTI INFP I would say the test gave you wrong results.

The type that is Ni leading and Fe creative is INFp.

[Ethanol]

Socionics INFj is Fi leading and Ne creative so unless you are MBTI INFP I would say the test gave you wrong results.

The type that is Ni leading and Fe creative is INFp.

Is there another test from any other quiz that could confirm this for me?

I'm pretty sure I'm Ni leading, but I have no idea what Fe creative means. I thought Fe was more an accommodation for other people in regards to feeling.

Edit: Blah, actually ignore this post. I can google it all, and am doing that currently :D

[Acerbusvenator]

Actually, an INFJ can be either INFp or INFJ.
It has to do with that MBTI and socionics got different function stacks.

I'm INFP and INFp.

INFJ - Ni Fe Ti Se
INFp - Ni Fe Si Te
INFP - Fi Ne Si Te
INFj - Fi Ne Ti Se

It's 2 interpretations of how the functions are oriented.

The more Jung view of the stacks is rather:
INFJ - Ni Fe Te Se
INFP - Fi Ne Se Te
Since he believed that the strength of the dominant function is so strong that the others must be of opposite direction to balance a person's mind.

It all depends on what interpretation you trust the most.
MBTI, Socionics, or Jung.

[Shadow Logic]

Actually, an INFJ can be either INFp or INFJ.
It has to do with that MBTI and socionics got different function stacks.

I'm INFP and INFp.

INFJ - Ni Fe Ti Se
INFp - Ni Fe Si Te
INFP - Fi Ne Si Te
INFj - Fi Ne Ti Se

It's 2 interpretations of how the functions are oriented.

The more Jung view of the stacks is rather:
INFJ - Ni Fe Te Se
INFP - Fi Ne Se Te
Since he believed that the strength of the dominant function is so strong that the others must be of opposite direction to balance a person's mind.

It all depends on what interpretation you trust the most.
MBTI, Socionics, or Jung.

I'm sorry but I have to fix a few things you said, because I realized people have a really huge misconception on what Socionics is. Socionics never changes function order, it just re categorizes it in different boxes. Try to look at it like this, each function is put in a separate box, now you have 8 boxes and you put them in an order that makes up the INFP (Fi Ne Si Te Fe Ni Se Ti). Now in those respected boxes in the specific order they are in to make up that specific type, are functions that do what they are intended to do in that zone (leading zone, auxiliary zone, tertiary zone, inferior zone etc.). To help you understand better, look at how a Fi tertiary user is different from a Dom Fi user in the respects of what Fi does alone (internal values).

Now going back to socionics, they have a set up with the functions, creating new zone names which differs from the Myers and Briggs zone categories. Socionics set up goes like this:

Ego:
Leading Function
Creative Function

Super Ego:
Role Function
Vulnerable Function

Super Id:
Suggestive Function
Mobilizing Function

Id:
Ignoring Function
Demonstrative Function

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Those function zones, just like the Myers and Briggs have functions that have specific roles in those zones. When comparing it to MBTI you must rearrange orders of the functions because the zones speak of the same thing but are organized differently. Socionics compared to MBTI to INFP function set up:

Ego:

Leading function = Dominant function = Fi
Creative Function = Auxiliary Function = Ne

Super Ego:

Role Function = Devil Function = Ti
Vulnerable Function = Deceiving Function = Se

Super Id:

Suggestive Function = Inferior Function = Te
Mobilizing Function = Tertiary Function = Si

Id:

Ignoring Function = Opposing Function = Fe
Demonstrative Function = Critical Parent Function = Ni

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Socionics is a Jungian study just as is MBTI, but they organize the functions differently but explain the same process and come up to the same type. Jungian Cognitive Functions is the foundation, the fundamentals of both Socionics and Myers and Briggs, they look different, but they have the same origin, so you don't compare Socionics/MBTI to Jungian, you can only compare Socionics to MBTI because they are both Jungian. A good analogy (even if your not religious) is you can compare Muslim to Christian, but you can't compare Muslim/Christian to Abrahamic because they are both Abrahamic. You can compare Mormons to Catholics but you can't compare Mormons/Catholics to Christianity, because they are both Christian religions.

So when looking at Socionics compared to MBTI, it is an efficient system comparison when you leave out your own personal "ideals" on the two and just look at the two for the logical orders they are in alone. So an INFP = INFj = EII (Ethics, Intuitive, Introvert).

Here is a great website to compare the two systems and your own type in each system in a logical in depth about the functions way: Ethical Intuitive Introtim - Wikisocion

[Acerbusvenator]

Thank you, I am quite aware of that.

Socionics is a Jungian study just as is MBTI, but they organize the functions differently

Still socionics use a different function order since the socionics and MBTI functions mean the same thing.

The reason I added Jung is because he had a third way of looking at it.
They might have based it on what he sad, but the function order is different.

[Shadow Logic]

I don't see it as a third way of looking at it but instead that Socionics and MBTI looked at the Cognitive Functions and how their ordered from the perspectives. All three perspectives are saying the same thing, but MBTI is more about how people will act, while Cognitive functions is why they act the way they act, and Socionics is a more in depth look at the Cognitive functions from a logical stand on it. So how Christianity is the belief in Christ, Mormons and Catholics are looking at it from different perspectives, but they are still Christian never the less. It really all comes down to perspective, but if you get rid of perspective and look at it for what the logic shows, then it becomes easier to see the connections and the differences.

Btw, the J/p switch is if you're an Extrovert in MBTI then you don't switch, but if you're an Introvert then you switch. So an ENTP=ENTp, but an INFP=INFj