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This is a discussion on IEI, Atypical EII/LII , or can the SUBTYPES clarify the disparities in type? within the Socionics Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Originally Posted by TreasureTower and since IEI-Ni also values Ne as well as Ti. IEI valuing Ne? That's a strong ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TreasureTower View Post
    and since IEI-Ni also values Ne as well as Ti.
    IEI valuing Ne? That's a strong statement even if we talk subtypes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsme45 View Post
    IEI valuing Ne? That's a strong statement even if we talk subtypes.
    No, IEI-Ni, values Ne and Te; IEI-Fe, values Si and Fi.

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Meged-Ovcharov
    Last edited by Snowflake Whisperer; 10-18-2013 at 03:54 PM. Reason: to add link
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  3. #23

    Quote Originally Posted by TreasureTower View Post
    Well, I don't know about Si but people have already commented on my devaluing of Fi and they'd be right. I love Ni, Ne and Ti. When I mistyped as an EII, it was a no-brainer to figure out that EII-Ne fit me better and since IEI-Ni also values Ne as well as Ti. I do however, feel disconnected to my body and the external world; the expression, "disembodied mind" describes me accurately. This quote from Wikisocion, "spend their time trying to "listen to what their body is telling them"; I don't even understand how that would work. I guess, I have my answer then?
    "disembodied mind" is a good way of putting it -- welcome to the Ni-IEI club

    Quote Originally Posted by TreasureTower View Post
    No, IEI-Ni, values Ne and Te; IEI-Fe, values Si and Fi.

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Meged-Ovcharov
    Quote Originally Posted by itsme45 View Post
    IEI valuing Ne? That's a strong statement even if we talk subtypes.
    I wouldn't say Ni-IEI "values" Ne -- I prefer to say Ni-IEI is more "buffered" against Ne.

    IEIs still cannot play off Ne fluidly the way Ne valuers do it. They respond to it passively -- it seems fun and entertaining, but they cannot contribute much in terms of Ne themselves. It's called ignoring or observing function for IEIs so they just absorb it. Prolonged exposure to Ne makes IEIs feel antsy, because they sense that they are spending all this time and energy but still not getting something that they need (that thing being Se).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TreasureTower View Post
    No, IEI-Ni, values Ne and Te; IEI-Fe, values Si and Fi.

    Socionics - the16types.info - The concept of vertical sub-types
    Although they may or may not agree with these typings,

    Compare FlightsOfFancy (IEI-Ni positive Ne Te) and Dying Acedia (IEI-Fe positive Si Fi)

    (there is risk of inaccuracy in the latter, but it's worth a look)
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    Quote Originally Posted by liminalthought View Post
    Although they may or may not agree with these typings,

    Compare FlightsOfFancy (IEI-Ni positive Ne Te) and Dying Acedia (IEI-Fe positive Si Fi)

    (there is risk that this may be inaccurate, but it's worth a look)
    I don't think you should use DA as an example of IEI-Fe since I think he's correctly typed as an ILI, having spoken to him at length in person. He's clearly not Fe-valuing. I also think he's likely subtype-less, making him an even worse example to refer to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ephemereality View Post
    I don't think you should use DA as an example of IEI-Fe since I think he's correctly typed as an ILI, having spoken to him at length in person. He's clearly not Fe-valuing. I also think he's likely subtype-less, making him an even worse example to refer to.
    I may be right.
    You may be wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by liminalthought View Post
    (there is risk of inaccuracy in the latter, but it's worth a look)
    Last edited by liminalthought; 10-18-2013 at 05:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liminalthought View Post
    I may be right.
    You may be wrong.
    I read the latter, but that's even less the reason you should use him as an example of type if you aren't even fully sure of how accurate your typing is of that person and the person doesn't necessarily agree with that typing either. Anyway, I don't think DA would agree on IEI-Fe either, since if he's an IEI, then he'd clearly be Ni subtype, and I have discussed DA's type together with Flatlander way, way back and those were the options we were discussing then. We quickly ruled out that IEI isn't very likely though, simply because DA doesn't seem to be very appreciative of Fe and Fe style interaction.

    So really, why do you use people as an example of type when it goes against their current typing and you aren't very sure of their type? It's not a very solid way to offer suggestions either.

    @cyamitide, the above reasoning fits your idea of right/process better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ephemereality View Post
    I read the latter, but that's even less the reason you should use him as an example of type if you aren't even fully sure of how accurate your typing is of that person and the person doesn't necessarily agree with that typing either. Anyway, I don't think DA would agree on IEI-Fe either, since if he's an IEI, then he'd clearly be Ni subtype, and I have discussed DA's type together with Flatlander way, way back and those were the options we were discussing then. We quickly ruled out that IEI isn't very likely though, simply because DA doesn't seem to be very appreciative of Fe and Fe style interaction.

    So really, why do you use people as an example of type when it goes against their current typing and you aren't very sure of their type? It's not a very solid way to offer suggestions either.

    @cyamitide, the above reasoning fits your idea of right/process better?
    If what you really want is security over your own type through comments and justifications, make sure it's done in the right place. Don't derail yet another thread.
    Last edited by liminalthought; 10-19-2013 at 03:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TreasureTower View Post
    I have been all over the INXX map. I initially typed as an ILI, then an LII. Then an IEI and now an EII-Ne. I just paid a visit to the INFP forum and have the same reaction that I have always had to it: Way too much God damned emoting and unrestrained Fi, for my liking. In terms of MBTI - based on that forum alone, I would much rather endure neverending root canal; than ever have to listen to another person vent ever again. OTOH, I love the INTP and INFJ forums and identify with the INFJs the most. My MBTI type is INFJ. I am very strong on both Ni/Ti/Ne/Fi/Fe but that is my confusion. I just happen to be an unusually strong logical F user. I know that I use N, F, and Ti. My discomfort in using Te; helped me to rule out ILI, as a possible option.

    I want to make it very clear, that I don't have any problem with discussion of either happy, non-self-referencing feelings or values - especially ethics - one of my fave philosophy courses. I love warm and fuzzy feelings and I enjoy discussing relationship dynamics; it's just that overly melodramatic expressions of Fi make me want to vomit; so, I was probably right when I typed myself as an IEI. I should have trusted my instincts and my truth and not allowed other people to take me off course. I am not blaming anyone for this; as I did solicit other people's opinions of my type in this thread. I just can't see how I can be a Fi type when I both hate talking about an hearing about other people's feelings.

    To explain it even more clearly: The typical complaint in the INFP forum is about I feel X (usually something negative); where as the typical INFJ concern usually has something to do with relationships. I have no problems empathising with the latter but have to pretty much force myself, to experience even a drop of sympathy for the latter. I am not at all proud of this and view it as a weakness but I just can't seem to help it. Whenever I experience too much Fi from an individual person, I start thinking all of these extremely critical, unsympathetic, irritated thoughts in my head but my caring for people who are experiencing relationship, career, or various life difficulties can be boundless; so I can't really be "unfeeling", either.


    So, this has brought me to the following conclusions: A) I am a very atypical and (not-so-atypical "self-absorbed" lol) EII-Ne, B) an LII-Ne or most likely C) an IEI. I know for sure that I am some kind of INXX that but hasn't helped me figure out the rest of it.


    So, I started this thread to see; if subtypes could provide the answers to my sociotype quandary.





    ETA: I am an E5 (w4). I don't know how much that helps or further confuses the issue.
    Hi, I'm a 5w4 IEI, too. Until people really get to see all sides of me, some people thought I was an LII or ILI. That seems to be how I am when I talk serious, but it wasn't as pervasive as a true Ti dom. It was more, umm, "conjured." Not to say it was this mystical thing that would come and ride itself into my cognition, but it was a divergence and felt like I was in "serious mode".

    I always thought IEI had this piss poor relation to Ti. That's actually very incorrect for IEI-Ni, which has a lot of similar traits as ILI but has a relational difference to the way they treat the world (it isn't always sun and rainbows on either side).

    No less, reason is not very type specific, but IEI-Ni are probably going to be told they are a logical type if they are seriously explaining something.
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  10. #30

    Quote Originally Posted by liminalthought View Post
    If what you really want are comments and justifications over your type, make sure it's done in the right place.
    No, that's not what I am looking for and if you think that is what I am looking for you are reading me poorly. I don't like how you mistype my friends and further attempt to use their type as examples of said type. It's just poor methodology. If you want to discuss my type my thread is over there.


 
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