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    Keirsey's SJ "Guardians"

    Keirsey’s SJ “Guardians”
    David Keirsey explains the temperaments at great length, but his descriptions can get long-winded and confusing. His SJ “Guardian” temperament can be summarized thus:

    Communication: Concrete
    You talk about people, things, and the general here and now.
    Implementation: Cooperative
    You favor cooperation, compliance, and reliance on teamwork; you play by the rules.
    Character: Guardian
    You are concerned with conformity, agreement, and making sure discipline is sustained.

    Language: Associative
    You make concrete connections when you speak, thinking in terms of the topic’s relation to the past.
    Referential: Imperative
    You often speak in orders and tend to sound commanding.
    Syntactical: Comparative
    You speak in terms relative to pre-established ideas, events, and experiences.
    Rhetorical: Orthodox
    You explain your views by appealing to what is known and familiar.

    Intellect: Logistical
    Your strength lies in your ability to maintain the stability of existing systems; you hold things together.
    Directive Role: Administrator (xSTJ)
    You are best at regulating procedures and holding others responsible for their actions.
    Expressive Role: Supervisor (ESTJ)
    You’re the boss, with an eye for both others’ conduct and the rules they should follow.
    Reserved Role: Inspector (ISTJ)
    You work behind the scenes to ensure that all goods are up to the standards.
    Informative Role: Conservator (xSFJ)
    You are best at giving support to and ensuring security for others.
    Expressive Role: Provider (ESFJ)
    You make sure everyone’s welfare is properly attended to; you help those in need.
    Reserved Role: Protector (ISFJ)
    You shield others from the dangers and dirt of the world, quietly maintaining order.

    Interest
    Education: Commerce
    You prefer to learn about business and the nature of goods and services.
    Preoccupation: Morality
    You focus on maintaining social acceptability and a high standard of ethics for all.
    Vocation: Materiel
    You are happiest when working with supplies and equipment for an organization.

    Orientation
    Present: Stoicism
    You are hardworking in the present and always working to save for later.
    Future: Pessimism
    You are always prepared and expect the worst.
    Past: Fatalism
    You generally view life as predetermined and think that everything happens for a reason.
    Place: Gateways
    You like to always be standing guard, keeping an eye on comings, goings, and conduct.
    Time: Yesterday
    You yearn for “the good old days;” you feel that nothing can compare to how things once were.

    Self-Image
    Self-Esteem: Dependable
    You like yourself most when you see yourself as reliable and trustworthy.
    Self-Respect: Beneficent
    You respect yourself most when you and others see you as helpful and charitable.
    Self-Confidence: Respectable
    You feel the most confident when you are well thought-of and considered upright by others.

    Value
    Being: Concerned
    Your prevalent mood is one of concern for all of your duties and responsibilities.
    Trusting: Authority
    When in doubt, you trust those in charge; you maintain great respect for power and order.
    Yearning: Belonging
    You ultimately want to be a part of a group, perhaps as a way of finding security.
    Seeking: Security
    You devote yourself to maintaining a stable, safe lifestyle.
    Prizing: Gratitude
    You derive great pleasure from being appreciated by others for your services.
    Aspiring: Executive
    You dream of becoming a distinguished leader in a well-regarded institution.

    Social Role
    Mating: Helpmate
    In relationships, you seek to work with your partner toward a comfortable, stable life.
    Parenting: Socializer
    As a parent, you want your kids to be civilized, cultured, helpful, and productive.
    Leading: Stabilizer
    In leadership positions, you are schedule-oriented and make sure everyone follows the rules.

    From Please Understand Me II, by David Keirsey.
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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    Most of that was spot on for me, a few points off though.

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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    His book is easier to understand than the website. Besides the abstract lists and graphics, he explains the personality in-depth, using anecdotes and concrete details, like what sort of things Guardians like to study in school (business), as well as their key behavioral give-aways. For instance, Guardians appreciate catchphrases, like, "A penny saved is a penny earned," and they enjoy the structure of etiquette because of how it organizes society so that everyone knows what they and others are about.

    He even includes common hand gestures for each type. Guardians like to finger hammer their points out onto the table when arguing, for instance, (especially T Guardians).

    Finally, the book offers perspective on how Guardians relate to other temperament types--why SJ Guardians often relate best to SP Artisans even though Guardians and Artisans approach life so differently, why Guardians and NF Idealists tend to get along but from a distance, and why Guardians and NT Rationalists often misunderstand one another badly.

    Read the book. The personality stuff on the internet is a bloody mess and much of it is dead wrong. It will confuse you and drive you crazy.

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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    Quote Originally Posted by dawilliams View Post
    His book is easier to understand than the website. Besides the abstract lists and graphics, he explains the personality in-depth, using anecdotes and concrete details, like what sort of things Guardians like to study in school (business), as well as their key behavioral give-aways. For instance, Guardians appreciate catchphrases, like, "A penny saved is a penny earned," and they enjoy the structure of etiquette because of how it organizes society so that everyone knows what they and others are about.

    He even includes common hand gestures for each type. Guardians like to finger hammer their points out onto the table when arguing, for instance, (especially T Guardians).

    Finally, the book offers perspective on how Guardians relate to other temperament types--why SJ Guardians often relate best to SP Artisans even though Guardians and Artisans approach life so differently, why Guardians and NF Idealists tend to get along but from a distance, and why Guardians and NT Rationalists often misunderstand one another badly.
    This is interesting but I actually don't relate to much of it. Although I do like etiquette and proverbs like that I never had an interest in business, I don't "finger hammer", SPs give me more trouble than any other types and NFs too unless I share their values but I really resonate with NTs.
    A bit of a disclaimer would be that I sometimes tested as INTJ but I'm pretty sure I am more an ISTJ.


     

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