Tell me what's tough about being a man.

Originally Posted by skycloud86

Of course, I agree fully, but I still say that generally, being a male-bodied person in a patriarchal society is better than being a female-bodied person in the same society.

Not sure if agree.

In most patricarchal societies the vast majority of males are destined to being outcast, or locked in a brutal fight for survival through dominance. It's pretty much the norm in the animal kingdom. The silverback is better off than most of the females, sure. But you tend to forget all the male Lion Cubs that get ostracized or left out because of their perceived threat.

There has never been much room in society for beta males. Animal or human.

Originally Posted by skycloud86

Of course, I agree fully, but I still say that generally, being a male-bodied person in a patriarchal society is better than being a female-bodied person in the same society.

I don't think that's true. In patriarchal societies women are treated as if they can't help themselves and so it's the duty of their relatives to care for them. But who cares for the men who aren't rich?

Originally Posted by Aßbiscuits

I personally find that gingers are the worse off in the world.

Sorry.... What?

I beginning to think that O.P made up the story to go on rant about the great 'purveyor of evil' which is misogyny that infects every strata of society.Ive seen feminists do this frequently but in this instance Im withholding my judgement.

Originally Posted by dalsgaard

Sorry.... What?

Gingers have it worse than men, women, gays, transgenders, Lady Gaga, rich people, poor people, African people, purple people, short men, tall women, disabled people, abled people, healthy people, Asian people, drunks, geeks, mimes, freaks, people with mental illnesses, nomads, homeless people, blondes, sexy people and everyone. Just everyone.

Originally Posted by skycloud86

I certainly don't think it's justified, but you should care what caused it, or else how can we remove the problem?

That's not what I meant. In retrospect to the original point, I meant that the causations and justifications for male discrimination were red herrings. It was the effect that was relevant.

But, yes, we should care about the causes if we wish to solve the problem(s) of discrimination of either sex. As I addressed before, society doesn't put enough stock on Men's issues and,consequently, they are discriminated. The solution is to spread awareness that, despite the advantages, men do suffer from discrimination and that these matters need more attention and need to be seriously treated. The spirit of "equality of the sexes" should favor justice for both sexes, don't you think?

You mentioned that the Patriarchy is the cause of male discrimination. Specifically how so? Wouldn't a patriarchy eradicate male discrimination or do I misunderstand what patriarchy effectively does?

Originally Posted by Aßbiscuits

Gingers have it worse than men, women, gays, transgenders, Lady Gaga, rich people, poor people, African people, purple people, short men, tall women, disabled people, abled people, healthy people, Asian people, drunks, geeks, mimes, freaks, people with mental illnesses, nomads, homeless people, blondes, sexy people and everyone. Just everyone.

That's what they get for not having souls.

Originally Posted by Aßbiscuits

Gingers have it worse than men, women, gays, transgenders, Lady Gaga, rich people, poor people, African people, purple people, short men, tall women, disabled people, abled people, healthy people, Asian people, drunks, geeks, mimes, freaks, people with mental illnesses, nomads, homeless people, blondes, sexy people and everyone. Just everyone.

Still can't read your posts because of your avatar.

Originally Posted by JohnGalt

What's a problem with any generalization? Generalizing about genders/races/etc. is essentially a form of prejudice. If there is evidence to support it, then it is not prejudice (because then it is not a prejudgment -- it is the conclusion of certain evidence). But otherwise it is, by definition.

Prejudice isn't necessarily a negative or positive thing, and it can sometimes be useful. For example - generally, men are stronger than women, so a man would assume that a woman is likely to be weaker than him.

If you want to make a non-prejudicial thread about male priviledge, give some reasons why men as a group have it better than women. that will start a legitimate discussion.

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You seem to like assuming what other people are thinking without having any idea. Why?
And why would you think that?

I'm just assuming going by your posts.

Of course rape is horrible for women. But talking about one woman who was raped does not say why women in general are worse off than men. If I talked about 3 women that mass murdered 500000 men, as horrific as that is, it would not be grounds to say that men have it worse off than women.

I think you should come up with a better, more logical and more realistic example.

Originally Posted by skycloud86

Of course, but are you really going to tell me that most women don't have it worse than most men? Think about what kind of society most people live, think about the biological differences, think about the social double standards and gender roles and societal expectations.

I didn't say it was a man's world, not that it isn't.

You didn't say that? you haven't been shouting it this entire time and insinuating it when you weren't shouting it? I love people who flip flop in arguments keeps you on your toes if nothing else.

Limit this discussion to North America, because that is what we are talking about and speaking about the world is board enough to make the conversation utterly irrelevant.

To give you an example of why a world scope is foolish and counter productive. There is a tribe in Africa where the men have to ritually wear a glove made out of bullet ants and survive with their sanity intact to be a man. The bullet ants bite is possibly the most painful bite in the world, and it is a glove of them. I know you'll make an overly simplistic argument about patriarchy for that one but the cause is irrelevant to the fact that it sucks.

As for the rest about the differences, the double standards, and societal expectations. I'm actually quite well read on the topic and I've studied it from multiple disciplinary approaches under very intelligent men and women, and also some less intelligent men and women. Women do face a lot of difficulties but actually a lot fewer than they used to face. Men face a lot of these kinds of issues as well but you will never recognize that until you realize something simple but elusive,

"everyone's perspective differs because their position in the world differs as well and the world's expectations on them differ"

Trying to argue about whose problems are worse problems is silly narcissistic nonsense because you are literally unable to understand those problems fully unless you've experienced them. I appreciate the need to highlight the struggles women face because as a man I acknowledge that on some level I cannot fully appreciate the burdens they place on a woman's shoulders. I appreciate being educated about them because knowing will help me understand the world and the people around.

What I cannot appreciate is that the same women who shout that their needs be heard are so often shouting down anytime a man tries to explain his own difficulties and his own struggles. To truly support equality of gender concerns all concerns must be acknowledged, all must be addressed, and all must be weighed fairly in reference to the struggles of the gender that is facing those struggles, not with dismissive attitude from the other gender.

You aren't on here defending women's struggles your trying to use them to diminish men's struggles. That is the exact kind of sexism that kept women's problems in the dark for so long. I'm a student of history and what I'm seeing here is a repeat of the same stupid mistakes.