Objectification of women

Hiccups24-7

This is all very good and well, and to a degree I agree with it, but one thing that a lot of men fail to understand is how a lot of females are hormonally predisposed to weight gain, no amount of healthy eating or exercise will fix it, the body fat it stored away. A way the body prepares for child baring weither it happens or not. I don't expect you to accept it, just understand it, it's hormonal.

snail

I think you may be the only fat-hater I've ever felt comfortable with. I hope this lasts, because it may provide opportunities for both of us to grow. Now, what I notice is that people who have suffered with certain evils, like gluttony, rage, etc, seem to be more likely to react negatively when others display signs of behaving similarly or in ways that may be related. For instance, I had a boyfriend once who had trouble controlling his temper, became violent and hateful when angry, and he would struggle so hard to eliminate all emotions with the assumption that not being able to control and kill off our emotions was the root of all evil. I'm very emotionally sensitive and can't help but express feelings. It was a disaster because he associated my crying with his own violent rages, considered both equally evil because he misidentified "having feelings" as the core of the problem. In your case, you probably think everyone else experiences things at least somewhat like you do, and that the impulse that caused your obesity is present in others with all of the same spiritual significance. Not so. The association makes sense, but is not accurate, just as it was understandable for my old boyfriend to imagine that others had the same struggles and responsibility to achieve mastery over their emotions in order to be spiritually mature people. I guess I should try to identify my major struggle to figure out what I'm projecting, now.
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Mind Marauder

Yes but let's be very, VERY careful here. It's not JUST hormonal. It's diet, exercise, AND genetic/hormonal make-up. The body makes fat out of whatever you give to it. Give it good fat/lean protein/ and whole grains and you will be storing good fat/lean protein/ and whole grains. Give the body processed carbohydrates/bad fat/junk/etc. and don't work it off and you'll be storing that. Actually all human beings are predisposed hormonally for weight gain, it's a very basic and primitive survival mechanism. Men just happen to carry weight around differently than women because women do put on weight in areas for child birth. However, the excuse of gaining weight for child birth is only true prior to child birth when the levels of fat HAVE to increase. Just because women put on weight in areas for child birthing doesn't mean that they have a good excuse for it, unless of course they are pregnant or getting ready for pregnancy.

Hiccups24-7

Naaahhhhh ...I'm going to disagree with your male point of view and just not post in this thread anymore.

Mind Marauder

Ah that's interesting you mention that because it's actually an idea I've been playing with. Such a notion totally shatters sympathy or empathy though because that means I can no longer feel those things towards people because I can no longer relate. While in meditation a few days ago I did follow that thought-path and came to a near-nihilistic conclusion. It creates a reality where everyone is literally incapable of feeling anything at all of what the other is feeling because we all have different approaches to what we all collectively identify as "emotion." Simply put: If your identification of discipline is not my identification of discipline then are we really talking about discipline? I doubt that makes sense.

My reason for being over weight (not obese because it wasn't hurting my health) was simply because I was 12 and didn't know anything other than eating a huge dessert after meals. When I break down know and consume everything it's because I've become afraid of something.

I've actually done what you're talking about though. Ironically enough the issue that comes to mind was emotional control. Back when I was first learning emotional calming routines, I would have to fight so hard to stop my anger. Then I found some other teachings that helped me deal with my anger in a better way while still maintaining a sense of calm. I did it with other stuff too though. I don't really do it much any more except for a few things (physical fitness being one of them I guess). I just hate having people be at what I perceive to be a "lower level" in anything when I've put forth the work to elevate myself.

Mind Marauder

Well I assure you it's not just a male point of view unless you consider what I've learned in my exercise science major at college all to be founded upon a male point of view. All that I said has been scientifically proven so I assure you it's not simply a "male point of view." Haha that's kinda funny actually because I'm one of the last people who would purposely support a male point of view simply because I'm male. This almost believes me to think you are just dodging the issue. It's your choice regardless but don't play it off as me being the one with the simple minded "male perspective."

Haha that's pretty funny!

Munchies

I dont think you can even be seen as a guy that makes women into objects, your putting the pussy on the pedestal ... its not man. People are just people. Go watch the 40 year old virgin and take some notes lol

Jokes (unless im right, then no, no jokes), its just a really in depth value system you have got going on, how you decide to act because of it is not in my control to give advice

Mind Marauder

Haha! I'm not prevent people from thinking that I objectify women! I could care less about that right now! I'm trying to determine if I'm doing it mentally. I would never blatantly objectify a woman physically or in real life, I'm just trying to determine if I'm thinking about it in the right way. Nor am I putting the "pussy on the pedestal" as you so eloquently put it. If anything I'm putting a woman's entire being on a pedestal. Besides, I come to this point have had sex several times already in life, so it's not like I'm some virgin who has some weird and totally unfounded ideas on sex.

By the way, I don't understand fully the part you added on at the end of your post prior to mine. I have a very, very, very serious mentality. My father who has been in the special forces, and seen death and destruction, tells me to be less serious.

snail

Of course, we all want to have our efforts recognized, but having priorities that conflict with the priorities of others can lead to invalidation. For instance, one goal of mine is to become completely detached from negative physical associations so that I can accept any physical circumstances as long as the underlying spiritual circumstances are appropriate. I should be able to live in a cardboard box without losing my sense of inner comfort, for example. This has led me to embrace non-superficiality and non-materialism as a spiritual way of life, and to promote acceptance of all body-types, including my own, as value-neutral. If you see a certain body type as having greater spiritual value than another, your spiritual goals are directly opposed to mine. It means that I probably won't appreciate the sacrifices you make to achieve your goals, acknowledge the hardships you suffer for them, etc, and you won't appreciate the efforts that allow me to progress toward mine. If this occurs, we will both feel invalidated, and might not even know why. Each will see the other's hard-won progress as folly. Right?
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Mind Marauder

You have no idea how eerie that is to have you say that. I've grappled with that exact same line of thinking. Because I am interested in meditation and spirituality I came to study Buddhism for a while (and still do) and I noticed how the Buddhist monks are not physically developed. I guess it's they are happy without having physically fit bodies. However, my spirituality is a practical spiritual. I feel it everywhere. Living life is spiritual on so many levels. Feeling my muscles contract is spiritual. Meditating is spiritual. I can do the things that Buddhist monks can do while also being spiritual while building my body. It's really just my focus. My discipline over my body translates into my discipline over my mind, and vice versa. Therefore, I can tolerate living with less. I actually aim to live a simplistic existence as well as long as I can exercise, learn, meditate, and have relationships with other humans.