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  1. #51
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Yes... I am having a difficult time considering the idea that outside studying may be necessary to do well.

    It's funny, but I had pretty much the opposite experience. I found stats to be fairly shallow and easy to pick up, while I saw calculus as being very dense. I had an INTJ friend... loved calc and hated stats, just like you.

    Yes. I think that's where the "I think I did really well on the test, therefore I bombed it" rule comes from. When you aren't aware that you have weaknesses and gaps in your learning, that means that you didn't review.

    Gah... after doing some studying (yeah, I tried to STUDY. Not used to it, though, so I nearly fell asleep for the first hour before getting in the car, going somewhere else, walking around, and scouting out the perfect isolated spot in a dimly lit library corridor. From then on it took about 15 minutes to get into the zone, and from there I managed to study for 30 minutes before quitting) I figured out that the sort of mistakes I was making were, well, STUPID ones. I KNEW that you were supposed to break vectors down into components and that the two triangles were congruent, but what I didn't remember was which specific sides corresponded to one another. P ~ Q, or is P ~ Z? That's the sort of mistake that ruins a whole problem.

    I suppose I hadn't done this sort of problem in over half a year, but I didn't really expect to be deficient or confused about it.

  2. #52
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychosmurf View Post
    Take it from someone who loves to not sleep, you need to get more sleep.
    I am hesitant to do so because that's what my parents tell me... but then again I am supposed to be up at 7 tomorrow, and I usually have trouble getting up by 7:45!
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  3. #53
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    I hate the idea of limitations... I have to get sleep... I have to study... I hate DOING things. This sucks.
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  4. #54
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Actually, this thread is making me wonder if I should take biology in college. Maybe I should avoid it. Maybe I will be bad at it. I think that genes are interesting...

  5. #55
    INTP - The Thinkers


    Quote Originally Posted by Oldlady View Post
    Actually, this thread is making me wonder if I should take biology in college. Maybe I should avoid it. Maybe I will be bad at it. I think that genes are interesting...
    Genetics and biology are very separate fields. Someone studying genetics would take one or two "biology" courses relating directly to the plants or animals they'd be studying/engineering and the rest is permutations/combinations of organic chemistry, microbiology and basic biophysics, which are all much easier for the XNTP mind (very systems based).

  6. #56
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by absentminded View Post
    Genetics and biology are very separate fields. Someone studying genetics would take one or two "biology" courses relating directly to the plants or animals they'd be studying/engineering and the rest is permutations/combinations of organic chemistry, microbiology and basic biophysics, which are all much easier for the XNTP mind (very systems based).
    Organic chemistry... I was always told that that was a tough pre med "weeder" class. I wonder if it's interesting...

    Yes. I think that I may be learning some things here:

    1. Some classes are not designed for the NTP mind. We can get through them, but rote memorization is not very fun for us.
    2. Even when taking a class suitable for an NTP, studying is/ MAY still be required because nearly every class involves some degree of detail somewhere... and there is some memory in keeping concepts straight.

    Go towards classes that are 80 NTP and 20 SJ vs. 80 SJ and 20 NTP.

  7. #57
    Unknown Personality

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldlady View Post
    I am an ENTP... with serious depression. Anxiety. The like.

    I do have ADHD, I am fairly certain.
    *This comment is from an NF be easy on me *>.<

    I have anxiety too but only in certain situation. You should check this out if you haven't already (the little graphic), it's helpful to understand it: clicky

    It basically means that you have anxiety when you perceive a situation that is too much to handle vs what you think you are able to do. The only way to change that is to better the image of yourself in certain situation. If your cognitive scheme of your skills in chemistry (or whichever was the topic) is inadequate, you need to improve it by winning small victories to improve the image you have of your skills in that subject. That way you will have less of a gap between what you perceive you have to do and what you perceive you can do. In this situation (or when you such at something in general) you need to compare yourself with your past performance and not other people. Try to improve vs yourself to better your esteem in that subject to lower your anxiety towards it.

    I'm most likely and INFJ so we share the Ti part. I need to understand stuff before memorizing them too. I also wasn't too big on studying in High School barely ever did it (didn't had incredibly good grade either). When I got to college I failed like hell. I developed some studying methods in university/college for understanding but it involves some time. What you need to do is to try to do stuff spread throughout the semester. Try to do exercises a bit every week, write summaries you can reread before the exam, recopy information you need to learn by heart, reread notes you have taken in classes, be more cautious to what the teacher says especially when he says that particular thing is important (that's when you need to flash a light in your head, grab a pen and write it at a place where you know you will look back afterwards, sometimes just writing help even if you wont look at it after), try to figure which part of the subject you know most before exam and focus on what you studied less/no less/didn't got in class (this is particularly important if you want to use your time efficiently), etc. I know Ps aren't too big on routine stuff but try to plug a whole in your week where you spend some time on stuff like that even if it's not always at the same exact time every week. Also, it's always best to study before going to bed because your brain reorganize information when you sleep and if it's fresh it's like bonus information retention.

    If you don't like my advices, just ask yourself the proper questions and follow your own intuition/answers:
    -What have I done in the past that have worked super well in a similar situation (or a different situation but with a solution that would also be valid)?
    -What kind of things can I do to improve my situation otherwise (read on time management, how we learn stuff we don't like, Pareto principle maybe?)?
    -Is there someone I know like me who could help me with his own experience about similar issues?
    -What kind of thing can I do today, tomorrow, the day after? What's my plan/tactic about it?

    Start with small easy stuff and move on. Sometimes stuff can look like a huge problem but if you separate it in many little parts and work on one at a time, it's easier to do (one chapter, one class, one group of problems/exercises, one period of time of study, etc.).

  8. #58
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    I have social anxiety, mainly, but the anxiety I get in class is from my fear of the teacher judging me. I still don't understand the psychological funk I got into when he said that stuff... I was perfectly calm before. It might be nice to figure out, one day, why being told unflattering things about myself while I am entirely in the dark makes me go crazy. My best guess is the fact that I have no way to verify if it's true or not.

    I am a P, but we are fine with scheduling. I just discovered Cal Newport. He is great. Look at this!

    Study Hacks Blog Archive Monday Master Class: How to Reduce Stress and Get More Done By Building an Autopilot Schedule

    I do have a problem with not knowing when I don't know, though.

    How did your grades improve once you started studying? I want to know if the effort is worth it.

  9. #59
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldlady View Post
    How did your grades improve once you started studying? I want to know if the effort is worth it.
    O.o I always decided what grade I wanted then put the amount of effort in required to achieve it.

    Doing it the other way around seems bizarre to me. Isn't that, in essence, what you're doing? You want to put a predetermined amount of effort in and somehow get an amazing grade regardless of the circumstances. It doesn't exactly work that way. You either sacrifice the grade and save your effort or you put in the required effort and achieve the grade you want. Seems to me you just need to decide which you want.

  10. #60
    Unknown Personality

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldlady View Post
    I have social anxiety, mainly, but the anxiety I get in class is from my fear of the teacher judging me. I still don't understand the psychological funk I got into when he said that stuff... I was perfectly calm before. It might be nice to figure out, one day, why being told unflattering things about myself while I am entirely in the dark makes me go crazy. My best guess is the fact that I have no way to verify if it's true or not.

    I am a P, but we are fine with scheduling. I just discovered Cal Newport. He is great. Look at this!

    Study Hacks Blog Archive Monday Master Class: How to Reduce Stress and Get More Done By Building an Autopilot Schedule

    I do have a problem with not knowing when I don't know, though.

    How did your grades improve once you started studying? I want to know if the effort is worth it.
    Well I went from failling (wasn't handing in papers nor studying :\) to having grades in the B+ A- range on average. Think it was worth it :)

    I dont study like mad, I like my level of performance though.


 
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