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About LinkBacksWow. Just about all of them. That's not a good thing, I imagine...Originally Posted by treesee
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This is a discussion on NT Version of "A Crazy Way To Choose Your Type" within the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects forums, part of the Keirsey Temperament Forums category; Originally Posted by treesee "The Thats Illogical Variant" -continuous questioning of the other person to gather info -then disregards the ...
Wow. Just about all of them. That's not a good thing, I imagine...
Heh, well since you asked... I looked at the defense mechanisms listed on the INFJ or INFP site, and I can't say I do either of those. Staying in bed like that would make me crazy, and I probably couldn't do it for more than fifteen minutes without some sort of sleep aid (unless it's already bed time, obviously). The closest I could come to that is, I don't know, going on a Twin Peaks marathon or something. The INFP defense I don't use at all.
For rationals: Do you recognise some of these defense mechanisms in yourself
For irrationals(ha just kidding) For non NTs: Do you associate more with the defense mechanisms on Shadows thread? Or do these "NT defenses" hold true for you as well?
I'm right on the border of F/T, though, so I took a look at some of the NT ones:
This I could see myself doing quite a bit, especially the first two."Superstition Variant"
-Obsessive Compulsive behavior
-Superstition
-Avoiding unpleasant, phobias, etc.
This one I maybe do, but to a lesser extent:
"Blanking Out Variant"
-Spacing out basic facts, names of friends, places, etc.
Oh how true so true. I step back aka blank out when stressed. Past experience has taught me to keep my mouth shut and mask my feelings. I only ge greif for expressing myself at those times because I seem illogical. At least to everyone else
Well, questioning everything somehow belongs to my nature, that's not really a defense mechanism. And as I define feelings (my own as well as these of other persons) as illogical in principle, I wouldn't use the second aspect at all.
Is this really an intellectual thing?"The Super-Intellectual Variant"
-becoming cold and distant
-showing no emotion to others
-shutting down feelings and increasing factual analysis
I do this very often, but just shutting down feelings doesn't make anyone more intellectual.
YES, especially the first one. And in opposite to the other variants I use this one only under stress."Nitpick Variant"
-Not following through because it has to be perfect first
-Illogical obsession with details
This variant doesn't work as defense for me, though extreme stress may cause something like that. I absolutely hate the first aspect, and the other ones use to breed nightmares. Additionally it's kind of strange, as I'm always conscious of the fact that superstition actually is not more than superstition, and thereby never really believe in these things."Superstition Variant"
-Obsessive Compulsive behavior
-Superstition
-Avoiding unpleasant, phobias, etc.
Happens under stress, but doesn't really work as a defense mechanism."Blanking Out Variant"
-Spacing out basic facts, names of friends, places, etc.
Wow this is very accurate. I do all of them, but some of them to lesser extent. The ones i do the most are:
Blanking out, superstition and super intellectual
OH God.. these 2 are me to a "T"I started reading shadow's post on how INFJs and INFPs react under extreme stress
Crazy Way to Choose Your Type
(INFJ- dissociation)
(INFP- masquerade)
I followed a link to a book on the topic, ended up at Amazon and searched for the rational's version..
I think it is surprisingly accurate!
Not going to copy it all word for word but the basic ideas are:
When they feel out of control or incompetent rationals use several different defense mechanisms (some or all)
"The Thats Illogical Variant"
-continuous questioning of the other person to gather info
-then disregards the other person's feelings and morals as illogical
"The Super-Intellectual Variant"
-becoming cold and distant
-showing no emotion to others
-shutting down feelings and increasing factual analysis
"Nitpick Variant"
-Not following through because it has to be perfect first
-Illogical obsession with details
"Superstition Variant"
-Obsessive Compulsive behavior
-Superstition
-Avoiding unpleasant, phobias, etc.
"Blanking Out Variant"
-Spacing out basic facts, names of friends, places, etc.
For rationals: Do you recognise some of these defense mechanisms in yourself
For irrationals
"The That's Illogical Variant"
-continuous questioning of the other person to gather info
-then disregards the other person's feelings and morals as illogical
"The Super-Intellectual Variant"
-becoming cold and distant
-showing no emotion to others
-shutting down feelings and increasing factual analysis
LOL. Yeah, I've been guilty of all those behaviors, but I *live* the Nitpick Variant.
can I say 4 out of 5 on the list depending on the other person? haha. I'd say I start with 1, it leads to 2, 3, and then 4 if it's bad enough ; )
1. "The Thats Illogical Variant"
-continuous questioning of the other person to gather info
-then disregards the other person's feelings and morals as illogical
2. "The Super-Intellectual Variant"
-becoming cold and distant
-showing no emotion to others
-shutting down feelings and increasing factual analysis
3. "Nitpick Variant"
-Not following through because it has to be perfect first
-Illogical obsession with details
4. "Superstition Variant"
-Obsessive Compulsive behavior
-Superstition
-Avoiding unpleasant, phobias, etc.
This is probably my most frequent defense. It's fairly easy for me... to just think, think, think, and, when I'm working with others, I only show emotions that are going to get me somewhere. It's horrible, but if/when I want, I can be a tad manipulative because a lot of times my emotions are just a blank slate.
...followed by that one. But then, I do that sometimes anyways.
In ranking order for myself:
"The Super-Intellectual Variant"
-becoming cold and distant
-showing no emotion to others
-shutting down feelings and increasing factual analysis
"The That's Illogical Variant"
-continuous questioning of the other person to gather info
-then disregards the other person's feelings and morals as illogical
"Blanking Out Variant"
-Spacing out basic facts, names of friends, places, etc.
"Superstition Variant"
-Obsessive Compulsive behavior
-Superstition
-Avoiding unpleasant, phobias, etc.
"Nitpick Variant"
-Not following through because it has to be perfect first
-Illogical obsession with details
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