[Boolean11]

But then again, if both people have the same information and the other persons reasoning is obviously flawed, why not begin by addtessing that?

That is called the illusion of perceiving the "same information", and equally you will see at times that someone may agree with your point for the wrong reasons. In their minds they are merely perceiving a totally different model that seems right to their psyche hence they don't see any flaws in it. Plus the same thing has probably happened to you, sometimes you have seen yourself holding inferior logical viewpoints. You only changed when your perception was changed later on.

If you were patient and respectful with the person, they would explain to you their whole model and from that you would see that illusion of perceiving the "same information". My whole point with this was trying to explain the odd phenomena of how people can hold incompatible views on the same topic yet still believe personally each that they are right. I just found that strange.

[Muser]

So, basically, it's like this: Things become messy when strong opinions and emotions get involved...and when people make it personal.

[gingertonic]

how this thread makes me feel:

[Boolean11]

So, basically, it's like this: Things become messy when strong opinions and emotions get involved...and when people make it personal.

Exactly, its one of the major points

[Boolean11]

how this thread makes me feel:

You inspired this thread with your poor perception of how the word "neutrality" had more than one meaning. Along with not understanding the metaphor.

[gingertonic]

You inspired this thread with your poor perception of how the word "neutrality" had more than one meaning. Along with not understanding the metaphor.

[affezwilling]

Deductive reasoning at it's best:

People are idiots
we are people
ergo we are idiots.

Or as a friend of mine use to put it "All people are stupid some of the time, some people are stupid all of the time, but not all people are stupid all of the time."

I've been telling people for years that people are all stupid, especially for such an intelligent species. Most people respond with some variant of "But you're a person, doesn't that mean you're stupid too?" to which I say "People are all stupid."

The problem is two-fold. It isn't stupid people who know they're stupid and compensate for it that are the problem. The problem is stupid people, and even a lot of intelligent people, that fail to admit to or learn from their own stupidity. Along the same line - the problem with perception isn't in a person's flawed perspective, but rather the inability to personally separate from their perspective allowing them to view an issue from a different angle. The problem with this type of thinking is that the people who do this have not actually developed a sense of perspective, but rather have taken the perspective that they have been given and have no way of telling if it is flawed or not. Everyone's perspective is askew, but the real idiots are the ones who do not see how askew their perspective is instead thinking the other person incorrect simply because their perspective happens to be flawed in a different way.

The truly wise man would listen to the words of Socrates "I know one thing, that I know nothing."

So in response to the title of the thread I have to say to @Boolean11 - No, I'm not an idiot because I am in fact an idiot.

[Boolean11]

Deductive reasoning at it's best:

People are idiots
we are people
ergo we are idiots.

Or as a friend of mine use to put it "All people are stupid some of the time, some people are stupid all of the time, but not all people are stupid all of the time."

I've been telling people for years that people are all stupid, especially for such an intelligent species. Most people respond with some variant of "But you're a person, doesn't that mean you're stupid too?" to which I say "People are all stupid."

The problem is two-fold. It isn't stupid people who know they're stupid and compensate for it that are the problem. The problem is stupid people, and even a lot of intelligent people, that fail to admit to or learn from their own stupidity. Along the same line - the problem with perception isn't in a person's flawed perspective, but rather the inability to personally separate from their perspective allowing them to view an issue from a different angle. The problem with this type of thinking is that the people who do this have not actually developed a sense of perspective, but rather have taken the perspective that they have been given and have no way of telling if it is flawed or not. Everyone's perspective is askew, but the real idiots are the ones who do not see how askew their perspective is instead thinking the other person incorrect simply because their perspective happens to be flawed in a different way.

The truly wise man would listen to the words of Socrates "I know one thing, that I know nothing."

So in response to the title of the thread I have to say to @Boolean11 - No, I'm not an idiot because I am in fact an idiot.

affezwilling
Haha I've heard the quote. Anyway the title is actually ironic since its about exposing the fact that from the same line, many people can develop various interpretations, perceptions. Perception is actually the topic of the thread, I'm surprised and not, mutually, since most people actually failed to see beyond pun title. But the original post explains, may be people may see my perception or may be not.

[Life.Is.A.Game]

pulling out is a skill that is easier said than done for most.

True dat!

lol sorry couldn't help it.

I do agree with the thread though, everyone has the right to their opinion and perception as long as they realize it IS just their own opinion.

We are all idiots though, no one is perfect and I have no problem admitting that.

[tanstaafl28]

Don't know. Never had this problem. Don't think others are idiots, just misinformed.