[aquavenae]

I am an awesome leader but I need my minions, I could never do it alone. I love studying how people work, and using their different strengths to accomplish different things fascinates me. I was a really good project manager. As long as I didn't have to spend time doing tedious repetitive stuff or be in conflict situations, that is :) Hey, there are people who LOVE doing those sorts of things! Leading was a way for me to make everything happy and harmonious by assigning everyone specific and appropriate tasks and not having to follow any one project myself from start to finish. I felt a lot of pride in successfully organizing people (and I generally hate organizing). And I liked that everyone seemed to feel comfortable talking to me, which allowed me to keep things fluid and let me stay on top of potential problems. I think I could feel when someone needed a break or change of pace before they did. I was a LIKED leader, not just a good one.



Now I'm an independent contractor and I really miss working in that dynamic. Lonelytown.

[Adasta]

No...
I posted this tread on the ENFP and the NF forum at the same time.
On the NF board it died a week ago so I ahve all my explanations on the other tread.

Having read your explanations in the other thread, I believe that the error in your argument is your assumption that Te = leadership.

[Monsieur Dini]

Having read your explanations in the other thread, I believe that the error in your argument is your assumption that Te = leadership.

Read the last post on page one in this tread.
And no My assumption doesn't simply come from Te.
It is part of my argument but not the main part.
If you really red all of my posts on that tread, then you wouldn't make that assumption.

[Dastan]

Why isn't an ENFJ a better leader, for instance?
If there is a tendency of better and worse leaders among intuitives, I think ENFPs may be better leaders in terms of revolutionaries and changers or leaders for single projects, while maybe ENFJ make the better long-term leaders because of more reliability and structure.
Fe is also good for leading... how do you understand "leader"? In a military way?

[Emerson]

I'd say for the most part its the ENXJ's who are the most able leaders, IN GENERAL. (Pun intended.) But for an inspirational leader, who leads from the front with daring deeds and a willingness to do it themselves, I'd put the ENFP's right up there, my ENFP girlfriend is a great inspiration and leader in my life, I'd say she probably is the dominant one in the relationship to a degree at least, in that she makes the initial decision, then I pick from the possible choices. But I digress...

ENFP's are pretty talented as leaders, they have: Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Mahmoud Ahmedinajad (SP?) and Gadaffi in there number... Sorry for spelling mistakes if it causes offence to anyone, can't spell, Irans #1 very well...

[aquavenae]

Lolling at Hussein because I'm hearing him with a Rasta accent.
@Adasta didn't say your argument was invalid, just that she disagrees with the Te + leadership part.

[Adasta]

Read the last post on page one in this tread.
And no My assumption doesn't simply come from Te.
It is part of my argument but not the main part.
If you really red all of my posts on that tread, then you wouldn't make that assumption.

It is certainly the fulcrum of your argument.

Frankly, your question is too ambiguous to be responded to accurately. Is one type a better leader than another? Only if there are a finite numbers of scenarios in which to lead. You clearly valourise Te and, in your responses to numerous claims that ENFJs would be the best leaders, subordinate Fe to Te. Yet there are countless ENFJ politicians, for example.

Also, your promotion of Te as the "leadership quality" lends itself to the subtext of your proposition, which is in fact that ENFPs are the best to lead. Whether or not that is the case, ENFPs have weaknesses that denigrate their Te, namely their inferior Si. It's all well and good to Have Tertiary Te, but you won't be much of a leader if you don't learn from the past.


I just don't think your argument has much solidity. I know it's been given under the guise of a debate, but I think your tone and persistence imply you are proposing ENFPs to be the best leaders. I'm saying that it depends on the circumstance. I can think of countless instances where an INFP would be a superior leader, regardless of our "inferior Te", which you have implied would limit our leadership abilities.

[aquavenae]

@Adasta, you totally sound like a smart leader type. I will follow you into battle forthwith.

[Monsieur Dini]

Again I asked it as a question.
Did I offend you in any way?
Sure I agree..
In different situations different types of leaders do better.

Inferior Te doesn't make you a lesser leader.
My point was the placement of the 3 functions and depending on the development of those functions would a ENFp be among the best leaders of the NF's.

In what situation do you feel a Infp would be better fitted than a ENFp to lead for example(ofc both being equals)?
This is a genuine question.

Also, being a politician doesn't automatically make you a good leader.
There are many ESFP politicians as well

[Dastan]

In what situation do you feel a Infp would be better fitted than a ENFp to lead for example(ofc both being equals)?
This is a genuine question.
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In school, having a more quiet and concentrated group task, maybe painting something in arts lesson?


If you mean leader in terms of a tactic military officer in a battle or something like that, Ne and Te and the impulsive and quick nature of ENFPs could be more effective than the functions of other idealists.