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    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Judgers vs. Perceivers

    I guess this is the only part of the Myers-Briggs that I'm confused about.

    Can anyone help me understand the difference between these two, and what characteristics can be seen in each type?



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    Judgers tend to be big planners, whilst Perceivers tend to be more spontaneous. Judgers tend to get stuff done, whilst Perceivers tend to procrastinate.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    There are usually tendencies for xxxJ types to be planned and orderly, and xxxP types to be spontaneous and a 'mess', but this does not indicate type purely. The J and P functions each dictate how the functions are ordered - i.e., introverted xxxJ types have an Intuitive or Sensory function as their dominant (INTJ, for example, is Ni-Te-Fi-Se), and introverted P types have a Feeling or Thinking function as their dominant (INTPs are Ti-Ne-Si-Fe). The contrary is true for extroverted types; extroverted xxxJ types have Thinking or Feeling functions as their dominant (ESTJ is Te-Si-Ne-Fi), and extroverted xxxP types have Intuitive or Sensory functions as their dominant (ENFP is Ne-Fi-Te-Si).
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    ENFJ - The Givers


    Quote Originally Posted by skycloud86 View Post
    Judgers tend to be big planners, whilst Perceivers tend to be more spontaneous. Judgers tend to get stuff done, whilst Perceivers tend to procrastinate.
    My INTP professor was the hardest taskmaster I've had. He woke me up to my laziness. This is about the Will. The Will of that man was very high. Self mastery can be either type.
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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Judgers have an internal need for goals, deadlines, organization, are uncomfortable having something incomplete, and like to have decisions made rather than keep their options open. Sure, everyone likes to have a goal in mind, even perceivers, but judgers have a need to create structure. Same thing goes with incomplete tasks, everyone like finished projects, but judgers are particularly disquieted by them.

    Perceivers like unstructured environments, tend to be more disorganized, sit on ideas until they are sure they've reached the correct decision, and like keeping their options open, often feeling unsettled by the idea that they may have come to a conclusion too early.

    Judgers tend to get stuff done, whilst Perceivers tend to procrastinate.
    I find this to be an unfair comparison. I believe the correct comparison would be "Perceivers are prone to procrastination, while judges are prone to making rash decisions." Both judgers and perceivers are always doing something and can be equally effective. Judgers are more likely to be on task and therefore look like they are being productive, but their tendency jump to action might lead them to do things that are inefficient or redundant. Perceivers have the opposite problem of inaction due to ambivalence.

    EDIT: I have not found "spontaneity" to be a trait distinguishing Ps and Js. Perceivers can be apprehensive to try new things without proper investigation, and some judgers will jump at the first good thing to come around. Spontaneity can be manifested in many different ways. This can also happen with Ps and organization. I have met some very organized Ps, so much so that you'd think they were Js, but they aren't. They are organized simply because they are thorough. They want to account for all possibilities.
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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey View Post
    There are usually tendencies for xxxJ types to be planned and orderly, and xxxP types to be spontaneous and a 'mess', but this does not indicate type purely. The J and P functions each dictate how the functions are ordered - i.e., xxxJ types have an Intuitive or Sensory function as their dominant (INTJ, for example, is Ni-Te-Fi-Se), and P types have a Feeling or Thinking function as their dominant (INTPs are Ti-Ne-Si-Fe).
    That's actually only the case when it comes to Introverted Js or Ps. It's reversed when it comes to Extroverts. ENTJs are Te-Ni-Se-Fi while ESTPs are Se-Ti-Fe-Ni.
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    Unknown Personality

    Based on Jung's descriptions, I'd say I'm an Introverted Intuitive type. However, I' am about as messy, disorganized, spontaneous, and procrastinating as they come. I find too much structure generally feels repressive.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by mcgooglian View Post
    That's actually only the case when it comes to Introverted Js or Ps. It's reversed when it comes to Extroverts. ENTJs are Te-Ni-Se-Fi while ESTPs are Se-Ti-Fe-Ni.
    My mistake. I'll edit it out.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    I'd always heard "J's are organized, P's are messy," but that is SO very not the case.

    I, an INTJ, always have my room in a mess, while my sister, ESFP, keeps hers pristine.

    I think that J vs P really only exists to order the functions.
    xxxJs always have an extroverted Judging function (Fe or Te) as one of their top two.
    This would mean, for xxFJ types, you would have a need to be responsible for others' feelings.
    xxTJ types would have a need to be responsible for the environment (planning and quantifying).

    xxxPs, on the other hand would have either Ne or Se.
    Being a J myself, and fairly new to MBTI, I haven't done a whole lot of research on these functions, so I don't know exactly what the significance of that would be.
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryne View Post
    I think that J vs P really only exists to order the functions.
    xxxJs always have an extroverted Judging function (Fe or Te) as one of their top two.
    This would mean, for xxFJ types, you would have a need to be responsible for others' feelings.
    xxTJ types would have a need to be responsible for the environment (planning and quantifying).
    Correct. Your other "top two" function is the opposite function and intro/extroversion. Your I/E letter tells which "top two" is first.

    Ex: I am an INTP. P means that I extravert my perceiving function (iNtuition), which would mean that I introvert my judging function (Thinking). I means that introverted Thinking (Ti) is dominant and extraverted iNtuition (Ne) is auxillary.

    To complete Katheryne's table for XXXPs:
    XSXP types would see the outside world in exact, precise terms.
    XNXP types would see the outside world in general, conceptual terms.

    An important thing to note about MBTI and Jungian type theory in general, is all they do is determine preferences. When I read a scale or measure a volume of water precicely, I use Se, just like I can make a decision based on my internal value system (Fi).
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