Hi all. I'm a female INFP 6w7 with strong N and fairly weak everything else. I have an observation about two of the xSTJ's I've met and want to hear other people's takes on it. All of the things I read about the types keep mentioning how xSTJ's are such "upstanding citizens" and "very loyal" and all that jazz. (Disclaimer: I know everyone is a unique individual and that how two people behave doesn't necessarily reflect the behaviors of everyone in the same group. I'm just describing my own personal experiences.)
The two I've known, while traditional, don't strike me as "upstanding citizens" per se. I mean, they go to their jobs, are reliable, and do what they're supposed to, but both of them definitely have a very "take care of #1 first" attitude. Both of them act sexy and charismatic and fun to be around, but both are also quite flirtatious and a bit womanizing. Both are also rather materialistic (concerned about brand names and impressing people) and also struggle with commitment issues insofar as romantic relations go.
Regardless, I think of an "upstanding citizen" as someone who values the greater good, does "the right thing," is concerned about the well-being of others, etc., not a flirty materialist who worries more about looking after himself than anyone else. Please don't get me wrong: I'm not saying these two guys are users or jerks or anything--they just don't seem very concerned about the welfare of anyone besides their close friends and immediate family. They're certainly not selfless pioneers of social justice. Their surface-level behavior conforms to everything they're "supposed to be doing," but their motivations for doing so are generally fairly self-centered (i.e. wanting to make more money or avoid getting in trouble). Unless they're the exception, I don't understand how anyone is getting "upstanding citizen" from these behaviors. Anyone have input or relevant experiences?