[entpreter]

I thought about including this in the ENTP or Rational forums only, but I think the issue encompasses all Myers-Briggs types, and so I want to hear from all of you.

As a female ENTP, I often find myself going against the grain. Some find my female "T" attractive (platonically and romantically) , some find it intimidating or weird. For those of you who have a type that stereotypically or disproportionately belongs to the opposite sex, please explain others’ reactions to you or your own experiences. I'm not really asking if you like your type or not, I'm just asking about your observations.



Now's your chance to gripe!

[Blueguardian]

For the longest time people would exclaim that I am gay or question my interest in girls. I have been told to "Be a Man" amongst other lines along that nature.
While I have no direct evidence to prove it... even now: I feel that most men don't accept me as a real guy, and women don't accept me as a real man. I am an enigma in the terms of the general population, I guess. A social outcast. On the bright side, there is almost no peer pressure, there are no peers!

[skycloud86]

Although INTP is very "stereotypical male", it's very rare even amongst males, so although it is a "masculine" type, I'm in a tiny minority due to it. I don't mind having such a rare type and I quite like it, although I would like to be more outgoing.

[entpreter]

For the longest time people would exclaim that I am gay or question my interest in girls. I have been told to "Be a Man" amongst other lines along that nature.
While I have no direct evidence to prove it... even now: I feel that most men don't accept me as a real guy, and women don't accept me as a real man. I am an enigma in the terms of the general population, I guess. A social outcast. On the bright side, there is almost no peer pressure, there are no peers!

Interesting, that "be a man" part. No one officially told me that I should talk more like a girl, but I took classes in college on language and gender and began to realize how un-feminine I spoke and wrote. Most of the time the difference doesn't bother me, but it seems the class taught that women tend to use more filler words, such as, "just" or "sort of..." Words used to lighten messages' tone. I usually don't use a lot of fillers, but I noticed that people, especially women, tended to think I was rude or too bossy when I talked or wrote so I started adding fillers. Now I find myself altering the way I talk/write depending on the person.

of course not all women use a lot of fillers and men certainly use them, but the ratio is off.

[Kevinaswell]

Well....

I don't REALLY apply...technically....but I got some input that is for sure relevant.

I'm INTP and like boys.

Gay people = flamboyant queeny ass fuckers (generally speaking obviously, nobody get on my nuts cuz I'll win cuz holy crap do I have a lot to say about the gays).

Gay people have no idea what to do with me at all >.< Just...oblivious. It's like they can't even fathom someone who is gay that thinks.

The SECOND their "witty" fag lines don't work with me, and they get an annoyed cold response, they just get this look on their face like "wtf are you."

I went to this gay club the other week, and this flamer called me a "unabomber".

I just stared unblinking. He could have been a 15 year old girl the way he put himself together >.< I just had zero patience for that kind of retarded, especially since I was wasted.

Other than that, it makes finding one that works with me very, very hard >.< I've only had feelings that I'd consider genuine for two boys on the whole planet--an ISFP and an INFP. I'm stuck on the ISFP insanely hard.

Friends are pretty easy, though. Guys like me loads cuz they can get attached to me on a deeper level because I can think well, and women get attached to me because, well, I like boys and ladies like those :)

At least, that's what the small percentage of people I find acceptable think when they get to know me....

But I feel like they appreciate me a bit more and give me loads more credit, because in the pretend land of "who's gay friend is better?!" contest, I fucking dominate.

[Verdant Hollow]

Yeah, just as Sky said. Being that everyone in my immediate family is an ISF, and I really don't know any ENTPs, being odd as a person, apart from my gender, was different enough.

I've never met an ENTP woman, but if you're anything like the ENTP guys I know people must have looked at you quizzically quite a few times.

[entpreter]

Well....

I don't REALLY apply...technically....but I got some input that is for sure relevant.

I'm INTP and like boys.

Gay people = flamboyant queeny ass fuckers (generally speaking obviously, nobody get on my nuts cuz I'll win cuz holy crap do I have a lot to say about the gays).

Gay people have no idea what to do with me at all >.< Just...oblivious. It's like they can't even fathom someone who is gay that thinks.

The SECOND their "witty" fag lines don't work with me, and they get an annoyed cold response, they just get this look on their face like "wtf are you."

I went to this gay club the other week, and this flamer called me a "unabomber".

I just stared unblinking. He could have been a 15 year old girl the way he put himself together >.< I just had zero patience for that kind of retarded, especially since I was wasted.

Other than that, it makes finding one that works with me very, very hard >.< I've only had feelings that I'd consider genuine for two boys on the whole planet--an ISFP and an INFP. I'm stuck on the ISFP insanely hard.

Friends are pretty easy, though. Guys like me loads cuz they can get attached to me on a deeper level because I can think well, and women get attached to me because, well, I like boys and ladies like those :)

At least, that's what the small percentage of people I find acceptable think when they get to know me....

But I feel like they appreciate me a bit more and give me loads more credit, because in the pretend land of "who's gay friend is better?!" contest, I fucking dominate.

Wow, so it's reverse stereotyping for you! Gay men expect you to be more feminine and you sound like you expect them to be more masculine.

[Kysinor]

My behavior can be really off-the-wall. The thing for me is that I just behave in ways that I can't always help. I don't purposefully try to freak people out.

If I act more feminine, I act more feminine. If I act more masculine, I act more masculine. I don't let myself be bothered with the dichotomy. Having feeler preference, I suppose I act somewhat "feminine" depending on your definitions. I don't possess a consistent singular mode of a behavior either.

Reactions from others generally aren't that nice. I possess a subconscious ability to both intimidate and confuse people. I laugh at myself how I happen to behave; like; "What the hell were I thinking?". I'm afraid that I don't comprehend the word "appropriate behavior". Even if I did, I figured out it would be boring.

(yes, I colored the text)

[ImbecilicSage]

Obviously I belong to a type that's more correlated with feminine than masculine definition, but I don't think I get too much criticism regarding how "manly" I am. In high school I was often concerned with how masculine I came off, as I didn't play any "real" sports, (all I did play was tennis, which might have been worse than playing no sports at all) I was involved in debate club, and the school's book club, as well as the literary magazine, though only one person ever even suggested they thought I might be gay, and even then it wasn't due to abrasion, just that they really weren't sure (it was a girl who I'd consider a distant friend, and she was more likely E_FJ so it's not like she'd be prone to cruel judgment). Another ESFP girl (I don't know if I'd call her a friend or something else nowadays, but at the time I guess she was the former) actually explicitly told me I don't come off very feminine, so I don't know.

I AM somewhat bothered by my physiology, as my hands and forearms are disproportionate from my body, though no one has actually commented on this directly to me... I don't know if anyone actually notices, though more often I like to conceal my forearms if I'm out in public as I think they make me look vulnerable, which I don't want.

Another interesting point is though I consider myself to have well developed moral and honorable standards, my explicit criticism of things is usually sterile and analytic, making me seem more like a general nerdy guy to others rather than a "pansy, overly emotional, girly man". Whether or not my nerdiness makes me seem less like a tough guy I don't know, but I'm not that concerned about that aspect of things. So yeah, I don't know if other people see me as feminine, although sometimes I can worry myself, to actually deal with the topic directly .

[Scruffy]

I'm surrounded by NF's.

It's hard because my sarcastic and compulsive lying (for amusement) generally fall short on them.

I don't actually know many other SP's, I mostly know SJ's.

I tend to fit in most places, but I can come on as too strong or fake sometimes I suppose.


I like variety though, ESTP's piss me off.