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    INFJ - The Protectors

    MBTI Further Analysis - Shadow Identity

    Looking at the cognitive functions of each type, one can find the other identities or types with similar cognitive functions but different arrangments. For example, the functions for INFJ are:

    Introverted Intuition
    Extraverted Feeling
    Introverted Thinking
    Extraverted Sensing

    While those for ESTP are backwards:

    Extraverted Sensing
    Introverted Thinking
    Extraverted Feeling
    Introverted Intuition

    So the shadow identity of an INFJ would be ESTP, which is almost an extroverted version of INFJ. Similarly, that for ENFJ would be ISTP, and vice versa. Though ENFJ also shares cognitive functions with INFJ, the closest link for INFJ would be ESTP.

    Shadow identities occur when people begin to fully develop their functions, and in many cases, the people act similar to their shadow identities when socially interacting. The shadow identities of the types:

    ISTJ - ENFP
    ISFJ - ENTP
    ESTJ - INFP
    ESFJ - INTP

    ISTP - ENFJ
    ISFP - ENTJ
    ESTP - INFJ
    ESFP - INTJ

    Please let me know your opinions or if you have any questions. Thank you.



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    ESTP - The Doers


    ermm


    Doesn't the shadow usually refer to the bottom four functions we don't use?
    Meaning the complete shadow of the ESTP = ENFP

    We actually all have 4 shadow types, and for ESTP (Se Te Fe Ni) they are:

    ENFP - Ne Fi Te Si
    INFP - Fi Ne Si Te
    ESTJ - Te Si Ne Fi
    ISTJ - Si Te Fi Ne
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I'm talking about shadow identities, not functions. The names are similar, but shadow identities are what I came up with after careful thinking. Basically, they are of same cognitive functions, but just arranged exactly backwards though appearing in same order. For example, an INFJ interacting with others may at times act like ESTP, since that is their shadow identity (the same goes for the other types). Thank you for the response.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by TreeBob View Post
    ermm


    Doesn't the shadow usually refer to the bottom four functions we don't use?
    Meaning the complete shadow of the ESTP = ENFP

    We actually all have 4 shadow types, and for ESTP (Se Te Fe Ni) they are:

    ENFP - Ne Fi Te Si
    INFP - Fi Ne Si Te
    ESTJ - Te Si Ne Fi
    ISTJ - Si Te Fi Ne
    Expound?

    On topic, idk, since our auxiliary is there for dealing with the world we're not so used to. But I will think on it and see how Se > Fi relate when awkwardness strikes.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    This is better known as duality and it is a concept introduced by socionics; accordingly the duality relationship can bring the most profitable way of social interaction for both opposites, since the information of the unconscious is suggestive and mobilizing.
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    Unknown Personality

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Shadow identities occur when people begin to fully develop their functions, and in many cases, the people act similar to their shadow identities when socially interacting. The shadow identities of the types:

    ISTJ - ENFP
    ISFJ - ENTP
    ESTJ - INFP
    ESFJ - INTP

    ISTP - ENFJ
    ISFP - ENTJ
    ESTP - INFJ
    ESFP - INTJ

    Please let me know your opinions or if you have any questions. Thank you.
    I can relate to what you're saying, because my closest type is INFP (but only in functional-theory terms, as the letter preferences are very contradictory, other than the first one), but in my late twenties I went through this more assertive phase where I wouldn't take any nonsense from my boss, and was described by a colleague as "not mincing my words". This was in part an over-reaction to having constantly allowed people to intimidate or dominate me when I was younger, so was determined not to be some meek "anything you say" secretary-type. I'm still under-confident and timid overall though, it's just that I'm not such a push-over as before.

    I'm not saying this is in itself evidence of a more developed Te, but Te-dominants seem invariably confident and willful. I do think that I have stronger than average Te for an INFP, but perhaps weaker than average Fi. I have always used Si - someone on this site typed me as an ISTJ based solely on my writing style in my initial post, which was really interesting. It honestly wouldn't bother me to re-frame as an ISTJ (it would at least make for an unusual ennea-type 4 combination), but I don't think I'm observant enough of the external world and practical matters to qualify immediate reality to me is 'a bit of an inconvenience'.

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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    Sparky shadow is an already recognized term in typology so all you are going to do is confuse your readers. I would suggest coming up with another name. But you may want to check around the forum for similar topics. This has already been discussed by many others when it comes to type relationships. Not only would ESTP be thrown into the mix, but so would any other type using Se-Ni-Fe-Ni in their first four functions to include ISTP and ENFJ. What you are referring to are not shadows, they're dualities as Marco says (I hate using that term then we begin to muddle Socionics).

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    I actually think that, due to one's (tentative) leanings in each dichotomy, a person has more than one shadow identity, but with different rates of occurrence. It would make sense that the [100%_ 100%_ 100%_ 100%_] archetype would only have the opposite as a flip-side, in the manner of a coin. However, given the non-absolute nature of real-life personalities, it may be that our type preferences are constructed more like an irregular hexadecahedron (at least, if MBTI is used as a measure). I can see the largest facet being the dominant personality, the smallest being the prime shadow identity, or the "true" flip-side.

    *cough*or our personalities are depicted as 3/4-D shapes using the axes of a tesseract/hyper-cube with the inverse coordinates as the "true flip-side," but that's just me being a bit crazy*cough*

    So I'm going to be really lame now and quote myself:

    Quote Originally Posted by rappf View Post
    To further illustrate my point, these are my "stats" at this point in my life:

    (.89)I (.84)N (.84)T (.99)P
    (.11)E (.16)S (.16)F (.01)J

    (I'm saying 99% P because 100% is just... no.)
    Let's pretend those values are constant, and derive:

    I. Type Function Likelihood

    INTP 62.170% (Ti Ne Si Fe)(Te Ni Se Fi)
    ISTP 11.841% (Ti Se Ni Fe)(Te Si Ne Fi)
    INFP 11.841% (Fi Ne Si Te)(Fe Ni Se Ti)
    ENTP 07.684% (Ne Ti Fe Si)(Ni Te Fi Se)
    ISFP 02.256% (Fi Se Ni Te)(Fe Si Ne Ti)
    ESTP 01.464% (Se Ti Fe Ni)(Si Te Fi Ne)
    ENFP 01.464% (Ne Fi Te Si)(Ni Fe Ti Se)
    INTJ 00.628% (Ni Te Fi Se)(Ne Ti Fe Si)
    ESFP 00.279% (Se Fi Te Ni)(Si Fe Ti Ne)
    INFJ 00.120% (Ni Fe Ti Se)(Ne Fi Te Si)
    ISTJ 00.120% (Si Te Fi Ne)(Se Ti Fe Ni)
    ENTJ 00.078% (Te Ni Se Fi)(Ti Ne Si Fe)
    ISFJ 00.022% (Si Fe Ti Ne)(Se Fi Te Ni)
    ESTJ 00.015% (Te Si Ne Fi)(Ti Se Ni Fe)
    ENFJ 00.015% (Fe Ni Se Ti)(Fi Ne Si Te)
    ESFJ 00.003% (Fe Si Ne Ti)(Fi Se Ni Te)

    II. Dominant Cognitive Function Likelihood

    Ti 74.011%
    Fi 14.097%
    Ne 09.148%
    Se 01.743%
    Ni 00.748%
    Si 00.142%
    Te 00.093%
    Fe 00.018%

    III. Temperament Function Likelihood

    NT 70.56%
    SP 15.84%
    NF 13.44%
    SJ 00.16%

    I suspect that since I'm not really near an X in any of the four dichotomies, the likelihoods presented above form a very distinct curve. The likelihood quantification and order probably differs for everyone.
    This is still pretty crude, though—for one, those beginning values are only based on online testing. Secondly, it runs on the assumption that people's type inclinations stay at the exact same levels through psychological development and life circumstance. And thirdly, it's my theory, which is sketchy in itself. ...heh.

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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Functianalyst View Post
    Not only would ESTP be thrown into the mix, but so would any other type using Se-Ni-Fe-Ni in their first four functions to include ISTP and ENFJ. What you are referring to are not shadows, they're dualities as Marco says (I hate using that term then we begin to muddle Socionics).
    Dualities is an interesting name, but I don't think Shadow Identities work that way as letting a person taking on two appearances; rather it is a hidden identity that occasionally makes its appearance in social situations. The closes for INFJ would be ESTP, as the cognitive functions are the same order just arranged backwards. Similarly, ENFJ's shadow identity would be ISTP. Although the four share same cognitive functions, the ordering is different and the closest match for ENFJ would be ISTP. Thank you for responding.


    Quote Originally Posted by rappf View Post
    I can see the largest facet being the dominant personality, the smallest being the prime shadow identity, or the "true" flip-side.
    That's very interesting about the dominant personality, prime shadow identity, second shadow identity, etc. Now that you mention it, here is what I thought:

    Dominant identity: INFJ
    Prime shadow identity: ESTP
    Secondary shadow identity: ISTP
    Inferior shadow identity: ENFJ

    The justification is that the four share same cognitive functions, just arranged differently. Those for INFJ and ESTP have the same order, just arranged backwards, so they are the closest. The second shadow identity and third are determined by alternating introversion and extroversion. So if the prime is extroverted, then second is introverted, and inferior is extroverted. This applies to other types as well. Thank you.

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    ISTP - The Mechanics

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Dualities is an interesting name, but I don't think Shadow Identities work that way as letting a person taking on two appearances; rather it is a hidden identity that occasionally makes its appearance in social situations. The closes for INFJ would be ESTP, as the cognitive functions are the same order just arranged backwards. Similarly, ENFJ's shadow identity would be ISTP. Although the four share same cognitive functions, the ordering is different and the closest match for ENFJ would be ISTP. Thank you for responding.Thank you.
    Consider what you are saying Sparky. Why would the closest be the exact opposite when you have a type in the middle that actually uses the identical parings of functions? INFJ usues Ni-Fe, then Ti-Se. ISTPs uses Ti-Se and then Ni-Fe. You're claiming that ESFPs who uses the reversal of functions to be closer. Besides shadow types would be, base on my understanding, somone who would use the same funcitons but in opposite attitudinal roles, ergo Ne-Fi-Te-Si (or a combintation of those functions). ISTP, ESTP and any other type using the same functions as INFJ would be dualities, not shadow.
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