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This is a discussion on Body Type of Famous People and Their MBTI Type within the Myers Briggs Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Peter: You never know when the smile at the end of a sentence is humor or compliance....

  1. #31
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Peter:

    You never know when the smile at the end of a sentence is humor or compliance.

  2. #32
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Iapetus View Post
    Peter:

    You never know when the smile at the end of a sentence is humor or compliance.
    It might even be none of the above.

  3. #33
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by Iapetus View Post
    Android654:

    No INFP? That is one of the casualties of the flawed Jungian system. Where are the SN and TF types in the Jungian system.

    Look a little closer at the problem of the bipolarity of the MBTI (Jungian) functions and attitudes. The main problem is that all the functions are necessary to all organisms. We all think, feel, do and see. We differ however in our preferences for these functions. Some of us are DOERS while others are FEELERS. Some of us are THINKERS and others are SEERS. This is what is referred to as our dominant function. If we add a secondary (auxiliary) system to the mix (temperament means “mixture”) we then become FEELING-DOERS, THINKING-SEERS, DOER-THINKERS for a total of twelve combinations. If you consider the rejected, weakest, inferior function/system, you have 24 permutations. Note that this means you can have THINKING-FEELERS, and DOER (Sensation)-SEERS (Intuition). Jung never figured that out.

    If there are only twelve primary types it can be expected that some of the MBTI types will prove to be redundant or not different enough to really be considered a distinct type.

    MBTI is test based on word perception. Somatotype is based on measuring something physical.

    As it turns out the INFP is really a special case of ENFJ. Read the descriptions for those two types and you'll notice some very strong similarities.


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  4. #34
    INFJ - The Protectors

    Is this somatotype test resistant to confounding factors like changes in diet/exercise?

    Or is my personality going to change drastically if I decide to work out and gain 50 pounds of muscle mass?

  5. #35
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Selene:

    Somatotype as Sheldon describes it is constant especially by the time you stop growing. The Heath-Carter somatotype method is based on measuring subcutaneous fat and muscle thickness with skin calipers. The Heath-Carter somatotype reflects the current state of the body.

    Sheldon's method is based on Trunk Index which has to do with the relationship of the rib cage and pelvis. Since these are bony structures they remain constant.

    If a 300 pound endomorph loses 125 pounds that doesn't change the trunk index which is a figure obtained by dividing the area of the thoracic trunk by the area of the abdominal trunk. An endomorph that has lost their extreme weight won't look like an ectomorph. They will look like an emaciated endomorph.

  6. #36
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Originally Posted by Iapetus

    As it turns out the INFP is really a special case of ENFJ. Read the descriptions for those two types and you'll notice some very strong similarities.
    INFP - Fi Ne Si Te Fe Ni Se Ti

    ENFJ - Fe Ni Se Ti Fi Ne Si Te

    Same order, just I and E inverted on every pair. Still a huge difference between the 2 types. And how can you call yourself a "special case" of another type?

  7. #37
    INFP - The Idealists

    1. I am not big boned or big waisted (as endomorphs are sometimes described).
    2. My BMI is within normal range.
    3. I am certainly not muscular in appearance like a mesomorph, and it is very difficult for me to obtain that "muscular look."

    In conclusion, I think I am a small boned ectomorph, only I do not look as small as I am, because my body is covered in flabby-endomorphic-fat. I do not know how being an endomorphic ectomorph influences my personality. I am pretty sure it does not.
    INFPs come in all shapes and sizes, which is a lovely thing.

    The end!
    I am out of things to say.

  8. #38
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    I guess that since INTJ and 3 other types aren't in the chart, we´re considered to be just Brains. :)


    hahaha thats awesome. you guys dont have a body type. maybe there should be closer examination of total brainj usage. then INTJs will definitely be on the chart. probably the top of the chart. with super muscular brain matter. lol

  9. #39
    Unknown Personality

    INTJs - Brains - brains are muscly, and therefor I propose Mesomorphs.
    INFJs - astral vapour - astra vapour...metaphysicomorph
    INFP - faries - minimorphs
    ISFP -...a bunch of particles...chillin'... - adaptamorph...vibratomorph?.
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  10. #40
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Peter:

    My presentation of probable location of MBTI types in the context of somatotype is not an
    endorsement of the validity of the MBTI or of Jung’s presentation of psychological types. This is
    a courtesy because so many have come to define themselves according to the distinctions made in
    the MBTI.

    No typology should be accepted automatically. If anyone here thinks that the Jung or Myers-
    Briggs system is the final word on personality you simply haven’t considered the data or are in
    someway biased or unable to consider any other alternative.

    For starters it would be good to consider some of the writings and research of the Jungian
    “apostates “ ie, Ralph Metzner, June Singer, Mary Loomis and many others. These dissidents
    among the Jungian oriented researchers have concluded that the bipolarity assumption needs to
    be abandoned. This assumption states that if you show a Sensing preference you cannot have
    Intuition as an auxiliary function. The same relationship is claimed for Thinking and Feeling.
    However if you construct the test so that people can express their choice on a scale you find
    many people do in fact have Thinking as a primary coupled with Feeling as secondary or
    Sensation as a primary and Intuition as secondary. In fact you have 12 possibilities for
    combining 4 functions in pairs.

    Feeling-Thinking
    Feeling-Sensation
    Feeling-Intuition

    Sensation-Feeling
    Sensation-Thinking
    Sensation-Intuition

    Thinking-Feeling
    Thinking-Sensation
    Thinking-Intuition

    Intuition-Feeling
    Intuition-Sensation
    Intuition-Thinking

    If you include an inferior function you would have 24 types:

    Feeling-Thinking-Intuition-Sensation
    Feeling-Thinking-Sensation-Intuition

    Now if you have a coherent typology based on abandoning the bipolar assumption then Jung fails
    to account for:

    Feeling Dominant - Thinking Auxiliary
    Thinking Dominant - Feeling Auxiliary
    Sensation Dominant - Intuition Auxiliary
    Intuition Auxiliary - Sensation Dominant

    So with either system you are ousting at least four types.

    Of course those types are there. There can be an unlimited number of types. We are talking
    about ways to cut the pie that reflect significant differences while at the same time allowing for
    continuous variation as is reflected in nature.

    This brings us to explaining Introversion and Extraversion.

    These dimensions emerge from the configuration of the four functions.

    Thinking is by definition an inner focused function. You think AFTER you have gathered your
    data. You make decisions (deciding is thinking) AFTER you have your facts. Thinking is linear
    and sequential - logical. It excludes all but one choice so it is exclusive. No body can think for
    you. Thinking is independent. Therefore thinking is Introverted.

    Feeling is also focused on you. Where do you feel? When someone asks you how do you feel do
    you start searching around your environment or do you try to tune into inner signals of comfort or
    discomfort. No body can make you feel. Therefore feeling is Introverted.

    Sensation is closely connected with the practical. Sensation is related to doing. Action is
    something you do that involves the external world. Even your body is treated objectively in this
    state or attitude. Athletes PUSH their bodies by forcing themselves to do things even though
    they don’t feel comfortable and sometimes experience pain. Muscular activity is the organisms
    way of contacting the environment and it is most associated with what Jung labeled Sensation.
    Unfortunately the word Sensation carries a lot of extra baggage that should have disqualified its
    use in describing something as simple as ACTION or DOING. Action is extaverted.

    Intuition is understanding the relationship or orientation of things. It is based on Seeing. That’s
    why diagrams are so useful in expressing intuition. Seeing, Touch, Taste, Hearing are
    information gathering organs. They orient you in your environment. Orientation defines where
    you are in your environement. Your environment is External. Therefore Intuition is extraverterd.

    Eysenck has discovered two types of extraversion and two types of introversion. So if your
    functions are chosen in the following hierarchies you will be Extraverted, Introverted or
    Ambiverted.

    Sensation-Intuition- Thinking- Feeling - you would be Extraverted.

    Sensation-Thinking-Feeling-Intuition you would be slightly Extraverted

    Sensation-Thinking-Intuition-Feeling you would be Ambiverted

    My next post will discuss exactly why somatotype is the only system of explaining type at this
    point in time.
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