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This is a discussion on Humoral theory (temperament) and MBTI correlation? within the Myers Briggs Forum forums, part of the Personality Type Forums category; Originally Posted by Eric B Great way of looking at it! Since the other blended temperament covers social skills (hence, ...

  1. #21
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Great way of looking at it! Since the other blended temperament covers social skills (hence, Interaction Styles), then it could be seen as the method of approach to people with the goal.
    HEY!!! Watch it! Just curious; how close are you on J/P? Your list would contradict the correlation you posted above; however, ENFJ is the "Choleric" of the NF's, because of the ENJ part ("In Charge Interaction style).
    I'm pretty damn P, but I have strong Te, so I think that makes me more choleric.


  2. #22
    INTP - The Thinkers

    The humors don't totally fit the MBTI and the humors can have combinations but I would have to say that for the most part:


    ESTP: Choleric
    ISTP: Phlegmatic
    ESFP: Sanguine
    ISFP: Phlegmatic
    ESTJ: Choleric
    ISTJ: Melancholic
    ESFJ: Sanguine
    ISFJ: Phlegmatic
    ENFJ: Sanguine
    INFJ: Phlegmatic
    ENFP: Sanguine
    INFP: Phlegmatic
    ENTJ: Choleric
    INTJ: Melancholic
    ENTP: Sanguine
    INTP: Melancholic
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  3. #23
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsman of Mana View Post
    I'm pretty damn P, but I have strong Te, so I think that makes me more choleric.
    Not necessarily. Te as dom. yields an "In Charge" type, and as aux. with iNtuition, yeilds a Choleric conation (NT), but with Sensing, yields Melancholy (ISTJ).
    Tertiary and inferior are less mature, and more vulnerable positions, where Te is supporting preferred Fi, which is opposite of Choleric (more Supine or Phlegmatic). So strong Te in an NFP does not equal Choleric.

    I also added afterward,
    Where did you get those results from? A test?
    If you are close to equal on all of them, then you can't really go by that order. Hence, the temperaments are "built into" type through the Keirsey/Berens model, so that's the best way to get the sense of what your top two humors really are.
    Quote Originally Posted by dogdude2424 View Post
    The humors don't totally fit the MBTI and the humors can have combinations but I would have to say that for the most part:

    ESTP: Choleric
    ISTP: Phlegmatic
    ESFP: Sanguine
    ISFP: Phlegmatic
    ESTJ: Choleric
    ISTJ: Melancholic
    ESFJ: Sanguine
    ISFJ: Phlegmatic
    ENFJ: Sanguine
    INFJ: Phlegmatic
    ENFP: Sanguine
    INFP: Phlegmatic
    ENTJ: Choleric
    INTJ: Melancholic
    ENTP: Sanguine
    INTP: Melancholic
    Here's how the blends make them appear to look like those:

    ISTJ: pure Melancholy
    ISFJ: PhlegmaticMelancholy
    INFJ: MelancholyPhlegmatic
    INTJ: MelancholyCholeric
    ISTP: MelancholySanguine *
    ISFP: PhlegmaticSanguine
    INFP: Phlegmatic
    INTP: PhlegmaticCholeric *
    ESTP: CholericSanguine
    ESFP: pure Sanguine
    ENFP: SanguinePhlegmatic
    ENTP: SanguineCholeric
    ESTJ: CholericMelancholy
    ESFJ: SanguineMelancholy
    ENFJ: CholericPhlegmatic *
    ENTJ: pure Choleric

    *Now, ITP's and EFJ's are the most "enigmatic" of all the types, b
    ecause they are blends of diametric opposites: Choleric with Phlegmatic (ENFJ, INTP), and Sanguine with Melancholy (ESFJ, ISTP). For the ESFJ, the Sanguine is very obvious, so there is not as much confusion about that. For the others, the temperaments meld together, looking like other temperaments not in the mix.
    Hence, INTP as Melancholic (I +[N]T); ENFJ as Sanguine (E +[N]F), and ISTP as Phlegmatic (I +[S]P).
    But ENFJ is clearly "IN Charge"=ENJ=Choleric, INTP is "Behind the Scenes"=INP=Phlegmatic, and ISTP is "Chart the Course"=IST=Melancholic.
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  4. #24
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Where did you get those results from? A test?
    If you are close to equal on all of them, then you can't really go by that order. Hence, the temperaments are "built into" type through the Keirsey/Berens model, so that's the best way to get the sense of what your top two humors really are.


    Here's how the blends make them appear to look like those:

    ISTJ: pure Melancholy
    ISFJ: PhlegmaticMelancholy
    INFJ: MelancholyPhlegmatic
    INTJ: MelancholyCholeric
    ISTP: MelancholySanguine *
    ISFP: PhlegmaticSanguine
    INFP: Phlegmatic
    INTP: PhlegmaticCholeric *
    ESTP: CholericSanguine
    ESFP: pure Sanguine
    ENFP: SanguinePhlegmatic
    ENTP: SanguineCholeric
    ESTJ: CholericMelancholy
    ESFJ: SanguineMelancholy
    ENFJ: CholericPhlegmatic *
    ENTJ: pure Choleric


    Yes. I was thinking on combinations, but tried to go with one to be more exact. I definitely agree with what you have to say. The results were actually just from research I found about people and my personal thoughts. I don't totally agree with all your ideas, but then it is the person and I think it depends on which you can say came first. Technically the humors did in Ancient Greece[?], but I don't believe that the MBTI or the Keirsey Temperament was totally based of the humors. INTP and ENFJ confused me the most so I kind of didn't look up the facts. The blending of diametric opposites intrigued me, but I don't really think the humors have opposites.

  5. #25
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Basically, what you covered there were mostly the Interaction Styles. They will naturally be the most visible in the mix.

    The opposites would be defined by the two factors temperament is based on. In one temperament system, they are called "expressiveness" and "responsiveness". Basically, expressiveness is I/E and cooperative/pragmatic; and responsiveness is directing/informing, and structure/motive. High or low poles in each factor will be shared by two temperaments, and two pairs of temperaments will be opposite in both dimensions. Sanguine is high on both dimensions, ad Melancholic is low in both dimensions. Choleric is high expressiveness, low responsiveness, and Phlegmatic is low expressiveness, high responsiveness (actually, it's moderate in both dimensions, and Supine is low e/high r, but Supine and Phlegmatic appear to be interchangeable in these correlations).

    So when those pairs of temperaments are blended, it's harder to sort out exactly what they are. In fact, the earlier "blended" temperament system of Kant, blends between opposites were omitted, so that Sanguine could be blended with Choleric or Phlegmatic, but not Melancholic. "4-Marks" and some other tests online today are like that.

    MBTI wasn't based onthe humours, but it was Keirsey and Berens who mapped out where they fit in the system. Keirsey did so indirectly through something called the Kretschmer character styles, and used Plato's “four types of men” rather than Galen's “humours”.
    Last edited by Eric B; 06-05-2012 at 08:55 AM.
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  6. #26
    Unknown Personality


    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    For most INTP's, it's usually the Choleric that gets lost in the mix; mellowed down into Melancholy, while the Phlegmatic is retained. Some do have the Melancholy replacing the Phlegmatic, such as yourself. This could be that the person is Supine instead of Melancholy, and the Supine of course is not recognized in most tests, so the traits have to come out as something else. Melancholy is close in that both are very reserved. Also, Supine is related to Sanguine, in both being very people-focused. So it could come out in Sanguine traits as well.

    You could also have three-way temperament blends, and the third temperament would not correspond to type, and could stand to represent some variation in type. That could also explain your Sanguine; and your sister could be something like Sanguine-Supine-Choleric, which would be ENFP and again, the Supine isn't represented, so she would look like a pure Sanguine with some Choleric

    (Though "occasional bits" during obstacles isn't necessarily Choleric; it could just be the Sanguine hot temper, which will look Choleric because both temperaments are expressive. The difference is that the Sanguine cools off much faster. So your sister could then be Sanguine-Supine-Sanguine, and again, would [definitely] look like a pure Sanguine, yet be NF. Misunderstandings like that are also why things may not seem to match some times).
    Thanks for your explanation :) And my sister isn't an ENFP, she's an ENFJ.

  7. #27
    INFJ - The Protectors

    as an INFJ i usually test as Melancholy. Which is kind of funny because my favorite season is fall!

  8. #28
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by aconite View Post
    Thanks for your explanation :) And my sister isn't an ENFP, she's an ENFJ.
    How strong is she on J/P and/or S/N?

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    INFJ - The Protectors

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Also, this one (my TYPOc avatar):

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