[ctang15]

The humors do not exactly relate to the Kiersian temperaments.

Sanguine is definitely SP, but there's the NF goodwill in there.
Choleric is very unhealthy SJ, but there's NT brutality in there.
Melancholic is somewhat NF, although there's NT reflection in there.
Phlegmatic is NT, but only INT; ENTP is more sanguine and ENTJ is choleric.

I think that these have to do more with the most visible aspects of a person: E/I, T/F, and J/P. N/S seems to be pretty random between the temperaments. Here's how i think it goes:

EFP: Sanguine
IFP: Melancholic
EFJ: Sanguine
IFJ: Melancholic
ETP: Sanguine
ITP: Phlegmatic
ETJ: Choleric
ITJ: Melancholic

There's space for it to be done on a type-by-type basis, because even here, there's soem definite chances for the N/S to decide the humor.

That's better.

[Confounded]

Well, I'm an INFP Phlegmatic... so it's weird to me that Phlegmatic is considered by some to be SJ. =/

[Longdove]

Can someone give an example/demonstration of all those? The sanguine, melancholic, phlegmatic, etc???

[Eric B]

There are at least two different areas of temperament in typ: social and leadership/action. The classic humor theory focused more on the social. These are represented by the Interaction Styles. Keirsey's groups represent the other are of personality, called "conation".

The way they fit best is:

SJ Melancholy
SP Sanguine
NF Phlegmatic or Supine
NT Choleric
IST/INJ Melancholy
ISF/INP Phlegmatic or Supine
EST/ENJ Choleric
ESF/ENP Sanguine

So then each type is a blend of two humors (with four of them being "pure" types, with the same temperament in both areas). Many four temperament quizzes allow blends, and here we see them built right into type!

With Keirsey's groups, there is some dispute, as Keirsey said NF was Choleric, NT was Phlegmatic (based on the definitions of "emotional vs calm"). Others acknowledge that NT is the goal-oriented, driven Choleric. But the site linked earlier, and some others claimed NF was Melancholic and SJ was Phlegmatic. I think the problem is in making the NF Phlegmatic, but if you remember this is conation and not social skills, then it's not so much about emotionality or lack thereof; the NF's, "peace-making" is the classic Phlegmatic trait. (SJ does also fit the classic Melancholic, with the desire for order).

[Swordsman of Mana]

I would say
Sanguine: EP, ESFJ
Choleric: ENTJ, ESTJ, ESTP, INTJ (NFs are supposedly the most choleric? LOL...no)
Melancholy: introverts
phlegmatic: IP, ISTJ

[aconite]

I usually test as choleric-melancholy with a bits of sanguine. Go figure.

I don't think there's a direct correlation with MBTI - my sister is an NF and pure sanguine with occasional bits of choleric (when she meets obstacles).

[Dark Romantic]

@Eric B: Hmmm... looking at that list, I noticed a pattern. The Keirsey temperament correlates to a humoral goal or outlook (so, the SP temperament aligns with sanguine goals, the SJ temperament aligns with melancholic goals, the NF temperament aligns with phlegmatic goals, and the NT temperament aligns with choleric goals), and the types correlate to different strategies used for the temperament's objective. So, for example, ENTJs would use a choleric strategy to accomplish choleric goals, INTJs would use a melancholic strategy to accomplish choleric goals, ENTPs would use a sanguine strategy to accomplish choleric goals, and INTPs would use a phlegmatic strategy to accomplish choleric goals.

[Eric B]

I would say
Sanguine: EP, ESFJ
Choleric: ENTJ, ESTJ, ESTP, INTJ (NFs are supposedly the most choleric? LOL...no)
Melancholy: introverts
phlegmatic: IP, ISTJ

That basically follows what I said, though in fragmented form.
That is, with the exception of ISTJ. That is clearly Melancholy; the purest one, in fact.

I usually test as choleric-melancholy with a bits of sanguine. Go figure.

I don't think there's a direct correlation with MBTI - my sister is an NF and pure sanguine with occasional bits of choleric (when she meets obstacles).

There are many reasons it may not seem to fit. For one thing, when the temperaments blend with each other, they are modified, and the traits blend and temper each other. INTP's are introverted (reserved) and Thinkers (task focus), so almost all will look like or tend to identify with Melancholy. However what's missing in that is the influence of the P, which is less task focused, and thus does not lend itself to a Melancholy temperament. So recognizing both Keirsey groups and Interaction styles as temperaments sorts them out.
For most INTP's, it's usually the Choleric that gets lost in the mix; mellowed down into Melancholy, while the Phlegmatic is retained. Some do have the Melancholy replacing the Phlegmatic, such as yourself. This could be that the person is Supine instead of Melancholy, and the Supine of course is not recognized in most tests, so the traits have to come out as something else. Melancholy is close in that both are very reserved. Also, Supine is related to Sanguine, in both being very people-focused. So it could come out in Sanguine traits as well.

You could also have three-way temperament blends, and the third temperament would not correspond to type, and could stand to represent some variation in type. That could also explain your Sanguine; and your sister could be something like Sanguine-Supine-Choleric, which would be ENFP and again, the Supine isn't represented, so she would look like a pure Sanguine with some Choleric

(Though "occasional bits" during obstacles isn't necessarily Choleric; it could just be the Sanguine hot temper, which will look Choleric because both temperaments are expressive. The difference is that the Sanguine cools off much faster. So your sister could then be Sanguine-Supine-Sanguine, and again, would [definitely] look like a pure Sanguine, yet be NF. Misunderstandings like that are also why things may not seem to match some times).

I know I can put forth this stuff like it's absolute, but I know it's not. Just showing how it could fit! (my "parental" Ne, there!)

[Swordsman of Mana]

I usually test as choleric-melancholy with a bits of sanguine. Go figure.

I don't think there's a direct correlation with MBTI - my sister is an NF and pure sanguine with occasional bits of choleric (when she meets obstacles).

this. I think I'm Choleric>Phlegmatic>Melancholy>Sanguine (though I don't like the 4 humors model because I relate to all of them pretty equally. except for Supine. fuck Supine lol) and I'm ENFP

[Eric B]

@Eric B: Hmmm... looking at that list, I noticed a pattern. The Keirsey temperament correlates to a humoral goal or outlook (so, the SP temperament aligns with sanguine goals, the SJ temperament aligns with melancholic goals, the NF temperament aligns with phlegmatic goals, and the NT temperament aligns with choleric goals), and the types correlate to different strategies used for the temperament's objective. So, for example, ENTJs would use a choleric strategy to accomplish choleric goals, INTJs would use a melancholic strategy to accomplish choleric goals, ENTPs would use a sanguine strategy to accomplish choleric goals, and INTPs would use a phlegmatic strategy to accomplish choleric goals.

Great way of looking at it! Since the other blended temperament covers social skills (hence, Interaction Styles), then it could be seen as the method of approach to people with the goal.

this. I think I'm Choleric>Phlegmatic>Melancholy>Sanguine (though I don't like the 4 humors model because I relate to all of them pretty equally. except for Supine. fuck Supine lol)

HEY!!! Watch it!
(This Supine is backed up by Choleric, which takes no junk!)

and I'm ENFP

Just curious; how close are you on J/P? Your list would contradict the correlation you posted above; however, ENFJ is the "Choleric" of the NF's, because of the ENJ part ("In Charge Interaction style).

Where did you get those results from? A test?
If you are close to equal on all of them, then you can't really go by that order. Hence, the temperaments are "built into" type through the Keirsey/Berens model, so that's the best way to get the sense of what your top two humors really are.