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    INTJ - The Scientists

    The Dark Knight Trilogy Personality types?

    Hey guys! With the Dark Knight Rises rising to theaters this Friday, I wanted to know what your thoughts on the MBTI of the characters for the Nolan Trilogy were. Feel free to change my list or add more to it. Here are my lists:

    Christopher Nolan: INTP
    Johnathan Nolan: INTJ

    Batman Begins:
    Bruce Wayne/Batman: ISTJ
    Henri Ducard/ Ra's Al Ghul: ISTJ
    Dr. Johnathan Crane/Scarecrow: INFP
    Alfred Pennyworth: INFJ
    Lucius Fox: INTJ
    Rachel Daws: ESFJ
    James Gordon: ISTJ


    The Dark Knight:
    The Joker: ENTP
    Harvey Dent/ Two Face: ESTJ

    The Dark Knight Rises:
    Bane: INTJ
    Catwoman: INFJ
    Miranda Tate: ?
    John Blake: INTP


    So yeah, figure out the personality types that Gotham deserves, not the types they need.
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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    So judging by that list, Gotham city is full of mostly introverted Js... I see what you did there..
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    We are in agreeance, except that I'd go INTP for Wayne/Batman, and maybe ISFJ for Rachel and INTJ for Ra's Al Ghul. I'd also say that The Joker is so insane that he becomes untypeable, but I might guess INFP.

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    INTP - The Thinkers


    Catwoman strikes me as an XSTP type. Streetwise and tomboyish, while at the same time able to be seductive. Batman on the other hand seems more like INFJ, mostly because of the way he keeps saying that there is more to Selina than just a cat-burglar looking out for herself, which is a similar relationship that a lot of XSTPs and XNFJs have. Gordon seems like an introvert and I'm leaning more towards Fe than Te due to his frustration with working within the system. John Blake is more like an ISTP with a more developed Ni and Fe. Alfred is also someone who I suspect is an ISFJ
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    INTP - The Thinkers


    Catwoman strikes me as an XSTP type. Streetwise and tomboyish, while at the same time able to be seductive. Batman on the other hand seems more like INFJ, mostly because of the way he keeps saying that there is more to Selina than just a cat-burglar looking out for herself, which is a similar relationship that a lot of XSTPs and XNFJs have. Gordon seems like an introvert and I'm leaning more towards Fe than Te due to his frustration with working within the system. John Blake is more like an ISTP with a more developed Ni and Fe. Alfred is also someone who I suspect is an ISFJ

    EDIT: sorry for the double post

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    INFJ - The Protectors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hutch View Post
    Hey guys! With the Dark Knight Rises rising to theaters this Friday, I wanted to know what your thoughts on the MBTI of the characters for the Nolan Trilogy were. Feel free to change my list or add more to it. Here are my lists:

    Christopher Nolan: INTP
    Johnathan Nolan: INTJ

    Batman Begins:
    Bruce Wayne/Batman: ISTJ
    Henri Ducard/ Ra's Al Ghul: ISTJ
    Dr. Johnathan Crane/Scarecrow: INFP
    Alfred Pennyworth: INFJ
    Lucius Fox: INTJ
    Rachel Daws: ESFJ
    James Gordon: ISTJ


    The Dark Knight:
    The Joker: ENTP
    Harvey Dent/ Two Face: ESTJ

    The Dark Knight Rises:
    Bane: INTJ
    Catwoman: INFJ
    Miranda Tate: ?
    John Blake: INTP


    So yeah, figure out the personality types that Gotham deserves, not the types they need.
    You have to separate the Batman persona from Bruce Wayne. The best fit for Batman is probably ESTP (looking at this from a function perspective not a Kiersey-roles perspective). Basically defaults to physicality and mastery of environment to accomplish what he needs, that pretty much forces him to be Extraverted a Sensation type. (But again Batman is a persona not a personality so that's sort of academic). The Chris Nolan Batman is basically brawns over brains (as evidence when Bruce Wayne is trying to rehabilitate himself and says "its the body that makes the leap." Wayne really wants to default to a real-world sensibility about things. You could maybe make a case for ISTP or ENTJ as well (the martyrdom complex and insistence of Batman as a symbol might be more characteristic of Inferior Fi).

    Alfred is probably ISFJ (sort of always worried about bad things happening to Bruce Wayne but hiding behind his caretaker persona).

    John Blake/Robin is a Feeling type in the TDKR. Definitely not a Thinking type, everything he does is in service to those around him, the general welfare of people including Gordon, putting himself on the line for other people (the bridge scene), and on and on. Nothing about him screamed Introverted Thinking to me or even introverted since, again everything he does is in service to others, he spends barely a moment in self-reflection (which is sort of the definition of introvert). His best is maybe something like ENFJ (you could probably make a case for IxFP - as someone with deep rooted ideals).

    Bane's best fit is probably INTJ

    Joker: ENTP

    Jim Gordon is probably an altruistic Te-dom. ESTJ would probably be his best fit (again there's a real downplay of the self here in favor of some external ideal). His intuition is also Ne-ish (what's likely to happen) rather than Ni (here's what's going on behind the scenes).

    I would say ISFP is probably right for Selina Kyle/Catwoman. Sort of an egocentric ISFP. A person of firm ideals, who gets caught up in the wrong ring. Very sensory-oriented though. I think if her intuitions were better she wouldn't have gotten caught up in the mess she did. She's very much a person in things for what she can get out of them, it all sort of points toward egocentric feeling.

    Harvey Dent is also someone adept at manipulating the environment. He's a tough one because his lawyer-persona is something of a Te-dom, but all of the significance and symbolism that he puts into things like his coin flip is much, much more Se-dom-like and its all directed inwardly (he places the power of life and death into an object), and defaults to violence as a way of solving problems when things go awry, so that makes me think maybe ESTP over ESTJ.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    I thought about this some more and I think one could probably really make a good case for Bruce Wayne as an INTJ (albeit dysfunctional). In Batman Begins, its pretty much setup that Wayne is someone for whom the world has constantly overwhelmed him (introvert) and that he has either tried to get the upper hand on and failed at, or tried to given into but failed at. It's symbolized by his fear of the bats in the cave overwhelming him and Liam Neeson/Ghul training him how to accept what the environment brings rather than retire from it. This might point to inferior Se in Wayne.

    We could then say the ESTP Batman persona is the way Bruce Wayne copes with the outside world. He constantly trying to keep from being consumed by it (and always failing) so he figures if he can just conquer the thing that gives him so much trouble he can win, but the world always fights back. In the end he gets beaten by a guy who's just stronger (Bain - its Catwoman that kills Bain not Batman. If not for her intervention Bain wins). Bruce Wayne doesn't like being Bruce Wayne. He continually runs from being Bruce Wayne, that experience is just too painful (the death of his parents, having to be an orphan, the death of Rachel, etc). Batman is his way of exerting some control over (what he sees as) a chaotic life. He says "its for Gotham," but really its for him. Gotham's malaise is nothing more than a mirror of Bruce Wayne's psyche, both capable of incredible good (Gordon/Dent/Blake) and incredible craziness (Joker). Just like with Joker, Batman's presence is always announced with chaos and destruction. He has no problem pointing a bat-rocket launcher at the very city he has sworn to protect.

    It is interesting that in the end, he ends up with Selina Kyle a criminal and apparently a murderer (symbolic that his mother's pearls end up on the neck of a woman who kills), which symbolizes that he's stopped trying to fight and just simply learned to take what life has thrown at him. The death of Batman at the end is basically 'egocide.'

    Batman is the person of someone who has not learned to deal with the world so instead creates a figure, a fantasy of someone who can. But of course, under the suit is just the same broken man, just with training and more gadgets. Ghul was right about him all along from the beginning. But the whole thing is a parlour trick designed not to delude the Gothamites but to keep Bruce Wayne from having to deal with the harshness of his own reality.

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    INFP - The Idealists

    I think Selina is some kind of SFJ, her use of Si and Fe is apparent, I'm just trying to figure out whats the placement is for them. You kind of see the lower form of Ne in her too where she says Gotham's reckoning is coming and she is going to revel in it. If pushed I would say she is more ESFJ but I could see her as an ISFJ too. But definitely a Fe user, she goes on and on referencing the external standard and how Gotham treats it's poor people to justify her stealing. It's not until the end of the film where Batman gets threw to her and she wants to become better because he shows her that she can become better. He raises the standard and she goes with him.

    Gordon seems like an ESTJ to me, a Te dom with inferior Fi. He is haunted because he let Batman take the fall and he can't live with himself because he didn't live up to his ideals (inferior Fi) he looked at what worked for the people and for Gotham (Te) rather then what was internally the right judgement call to make (Fi).

    John Blake -- some kind of Fi type. His ideals are all over the place and he uses subjective judgement calls all the time bucking against authority figures. I would say he is an ISFP over INFP, just because he seems more concrete based rather then abstract. But there isn't too much detail given to him.

    Miranda Tate -- Ni-Fe/Fe-Ni user some kind of NFJ, her main theme seems to be that she did everything because Daddy wanted her too and because she didn't feel the people of Gotham were innocent and that they all deserved to die or pay because her Dad died and she was getting back at Batman which is totally Fe. Constant referencing to an external standard. Everyone in Gotham is guilty or evil because Dad said so or something. She plans everything down to the letter so I could see her using Ni. I guess I would put her as an ENFJ is pushed.

    Bane -- was he even a personality? He was mostly just a puppet for others as revealed by the end of the film. I could see him as a Te dominant type but it's hard to see his other functions because he really was just the muscle behind the Al Gaul's. Some kind of ETJ.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    Catwoman is DEFINITELY not an INFJ. Hell no. She makes decisions based on her own rationale, not on how she feels. She led Batman to Bane. She has no qualms working for both good and bad. She's definitely a T.

    Bruce Wayne is more of an INFJ. He makes rash decisions based on his feelings, he likes to work alone, he has a desperate, burning desire to save his city when he doesn't owe it anything. INFJ's have that same "saving-people" complex, where you cannot bear the thought of not doing something to help others when you have the power to.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by veg_out View Post
    Catwoman is DEFINITELY not an INFJ. Hell no. She makes decisions based on her own rationale, not on how she feels. She led Batman to Bane. She has no qualms working for both good and bad. She's definitely a T.

    Bruce Wayne is more of an INFJ. He makes rash decisions based on his feelings, he likes to work alone, he has a desperate, burning desire to save his city when he doesn't owe it anything. INFJ's have that same "saving-people" complex, where you cannot bear the thought of not doing something to help others when you have the power to.
    I believe your right. I wish I could update my message too, because I made it before I saw the film. I actually think your right about Bruce too.


 
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