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This is a discussion on Epic Drain within the ISTP Forum - The Mechanics forums, part of the SP's Temperament Forum- The Creators category; Originally Posted by n2freedom @ Khys @ madhatter ... I'm going to copy you both. I think I'm going to ...
7s are stereotypically Ne-ish. Thoughts are all over the place, usually incomplete.
6s are push-pull, back-and-forth, chaotic, doubting, questioning.
5s; someone described it to me as having a fluid manner to their thoughts, ideas flowing in and out, and sometimes aimless (when I'm driving home from work, I think about a million things on the 15-minute drive, but it's almost like these thoughts flow seamlessly into each other)
I also look at the head types in reference to how they handle the core emotion fear. 7s avoid the fear by doing, by pursuing pleasure, collecting experiences or things. 5s avoid the fear by preparing and planning and minimizing. Both types are known for hoarding. My stepfather is an unhealthy 7, and he has a major impulse control problem. He's a hoarder, and the worst impulse spender I have ever seen. 5s can hoard resources, but a lot of the time, they hoard their energy and time from others.
Which one describes you?
One might think that the energy of this subtype would be warmer and friendlier than that of the self-pres/social, but it doesn’t usually present that way. Because the social instinct is dominant, these Fives are much more aware of their role in the group. They are therefore more careful of their involvements with others. The social arena is more important and is invested with more energy, so these Fives will pull up faster and harder into self-pres mode if they should feel at all threatened. This will sometimes give others the impression of coldness. This subtype will center a lot of their intellectual interest around the workings of society, humanity or spirituality. This serves as their connection with people. By means of these abstract mental constructs, Fives of this subtype feel a sense of belonging socially, without having to be personally involved and invested. The healthier people of this subtype are, the more they are able to integrate their mental constructs with their actual experiences. They can really be content to adopt the role of “people watcher,” but they do it from a closer and closer perspective. Their blind spot revolves around the fact that they tend to convince themselves they can get along just fine in the observer role. It does feel safer to them. If they do have a few people relatively close to them, they can really strike a good balance between their need to withdraw and their need to connect to the larger social world.
This subtype could be seen as the most intellectual of type Five. The combination of the basic desire for knowing with the social instinct’s need to "fit in," makes people of this subtype want to find a niche as the expert. Their interest in structure, especially social structure, accentuates their natural inclination for acquiring knowledge. With the sexual instinct least developed, this subtype is in the position of having a strong pull towards understanding the workings of the world around them, without the emotional intensity of the sexual instinct setting up any distraction. These Fives fit the role of the scientist or professor quite well in this respect.
In the average health range, this instinctual stacking is warm, friendly, and loyal. They need their down time and have no problem spending time alone. They actually value it very much. They feel an energy drain from people’s demands on them. This instinctual stacking is what is described in most Enneagram books. The most notable and potentially frustrating thing about people of this type is the difficulty involved in getting really close to them. While they can usually handle themselves socially, they always hold back when it comes to intensity or intimacy in a relationship which can frustrate a sexual variant type. Others are aware that there is more going on beneath the surface, but it can’t really be accessed. These Fives are masters at minimizing their needs. Even though they shy away from intense personal relationships they often have a lot of intuition about others. Their detached level of personal involvement somehow brings objectivity to their insights. They can be the most practical of the instinctual stackings.
Their issues usually revolve around demands made on their time. This can become problematic in personal relationships. This subtype has an ideal vision of what a close or romantic relationship should be, but given their concerns for protecting their space and time and lacking the instinctual drive of a strong sexual instinct, energy just doesn’t flow in that direction. Because this subtype is good at minimizing their needs they can get along fine with few relationships or without a romantic partner. With the social instinct second in the stacking, they generally do find friends or colleagues and they may even be married, but the need to maintain their own time to pursue their interests is always a point of contention.
What do you think of these 2 descriptions of the SO/SP and SP/SO E5? Between the 2 of these, I relate equally to these description
Last edited by reletative; 04-18-2012 at 10:32 AM.
After reading all this stuff I am a "5" (whatever that means) and SO/SP. I'm not a hoarder of physical stuff thou---nevermind. I just thought about all the stuff I've got in my garage.
Last edited by Ross Carran; 04-19-2012 at 11:05 AM.
anyhow, what you need is a warm mug of coffee and somewhere to be alone and stare drooling at the wall for about an hour. Sleep is also a good idea, but i think you should force youself to relax first. Sleeping is restful but it doesn't help you process things.