[Roland787]

Yeah I think we've all daydreamed of punching that smug son of a bitch right in the face, it's a rather pleasant thing to think about. But to actually do it is another thing.

Ive never wanted violence, and have done what I had to to avoid it at times.

In high school there were a couple instances where somebody would try to entice me into a fight. Both times though it just came down to him getting all up in my face acting tough (what else is he going to do with an empty head and all that testosterone), but with my 'dont fuck with me' ISTP stare and not flinchin a bit, and actually calmly inviting him to go ahead and take the first swing, they backed down.

People can talk all the shit they want, itll bounce right off me as I just ignore them and get on with what I was doing, they seem to hate that the most. They want to call me a coward, that is fine by me because all they're doing is showing how they have an undeveloped brain and are still in caveman mode.

It's not until they start trying to physically intimidating or are going after somebody else that it will start to really get to me and I will step up.

I dont like violence, and never understood how so many people would have that as their first reaction towards anything that offends them. But I am in no way a pacifist and as soon as anybody would have thrown that first swing, it would have been lights out and I would have just flipped a switch and gone ballistic, and he would have had an unexpected ball of energy all over his ass (yeah, I would have pulled his pants down and raped him right there in front of everybody), and I dont doubt that if I was capable (being that I have never actually gotten into a fight I am not fully aware of my physical capabilities in this aspect, lol) I would have gone for breaking an arm or some serious measure to end the fight as quickly as possible and to teach the fuck not to mess with people who do not want conflict.

[chrisu]

Yeah I think we've all daydreamed of punching that smug son of a bitch right in the face, it's a rather pleasant thing to think about. But to actually do it is another thing.

this.
i imagine a lot of violence and enjoy it, but i never ever got into a fight and usually don't wish to.
but i know the "back down or die"-stare... i was told i serve it with a smile.

[Roland787]

We also got Introverted Thinking as our Dominant function. You can do your own psychotherapy. Violence makes you feel better but doesn't really solve the issues you got deep down.

the... hostility... in this thread is... sad...

DoD, the advice he gave was solid for if you ever want to get out of that dark place, only you can make the change if you ever want to stop blaming the past and learning to let go and move on. Noone can help you until you decide... you want to help yourself.

anyhow, i am not a violent person at all and my morals would never let me stoop so low. I dont need the threat of violence to make people bow down, i can do it perfectly fine with a stare and a few words.

I'm almost positive at this point guys, that DoD, besides being just one cool dood, is just having fun with his ISTP humor. We tend to find violence and chaos funny. Some, as with DoD even maybe, might enjoy violence a bit more than other ISTPs and he has probably gotten into a few fights as some others here, but I think he's just embelishing how much he yearns for that violence. No need to be offering him help in this regard, as being an ISTP he isnt likely to take it seriously anyways, you cant really persuade our emotions with words as they just feel empty to us, especially when its regarding our mental health/stability.

And when we do perform acts of violence, we dont get that sense of remorse that comes over most other people, because we are usually (or at least rationalize ourselves) as justified, so any sense of remorse would just be a 'sin' against our reason, something we will not tolerate.

Anyways, @Duck_of_Death, been ejoying your posts :P I know you didn't need anybody sticking up for ya or justifying your posts, lol, but was more speaking for all ISTPs, so dont shoot me......here, gummy bear?

I'd say I'm more like a grizzly bear:



Fuck yea.

Awwww, ain't he cute, I just wanna snuggle

[madhatter]

I'm not sure if it's as much stupidity as it is their source of information. He who has the most dollars, gets the most votes in America. They're all glued to their TV sets and other media. The majority of Americans see their media and bible as truth. They're all being played like good little pawns. It's funny to watch.

I'm from Canada and I can read between the lines better than most American citizens when it comes to American politics. I only pay attention because ours aren't nearly as exciting. Our political party money cap is much lower, and misconduct brings the Governor general into the fray to slap everyone's hand. In America, politicians can run around flaming their opponents and shitting in their cereal. It's hilarious. It's like monkeys in suits.

Sad but true. My political philosophy: Never trust a politician. They're just saying what the people want to hear, and the vast majority go along with it like sheep.

[Duck_of_Death]

Some societies have been better than others, but not by a whole lot.

All I'm saying is, you've got these two opposing forces: the natural, primitive and savage, versus the desire to control all of that by imposing structure and order. Neither of those can ever "win", because they'll always be equally imperfect and far from ideal. Human history is all about how we bounce around between these two equally shitty extremes. Hence the absurdity of it all.

In other words, I was agreeing with you

Your Ni is connecting with my Ni.
We're like two mind-melding Vulcans right now.
And stuff.

But it goes beyond mere savagery. Savagery is simply an effect stemming from the cause--competition. We're a naturally competitive species. Some use Machiavellian strategies to attain victory; others bombard their opponent into submission. I prefer the latter if only for selfish reasons--it tends to be more entertaining than petty social ostracism, bullying and/or childish dick-measuring contests.

There is no getting around it. I am frankly wary of anybody who is unable to recognize this. Ironically, I find this character trait more obvious in those who deny it.

Overall, society's central function is channeling this unpleasant characteristic into productivity.
This is where modern society fails us.

[chrisu]

Sad but true. My political philosophy: Never trust a politician. They're just saying what the people want to hear, and the vast majority go along with it like sheep.

would the sheep-like vote for honest politicians if there were any? did people forget how to think because of dishonest politicians or did the politicians start to lie because people rather vote for comforting lies?

[sagacity]

I prefer to settle disputes by words. Usually ending with me making the other person look semi-retarded in front of their friends.
However there has been the odd occasion where confrontations have come to blows. Once was defending a friend, the other a bully who just picked the wrong day to push me.

[Navi]

Answering the original question.

I'm a lot more laid back these days but, provoke me too far and you'll be very sorry. That said, knowing exactly what I can do to people, from real life experience, makes me very reluctant to be violent. Physical violence is absolutely a last resort for me because I've hurt enough people badly enough to not want to do it again unless I have to. That said, I have no problems with using a firearm in self defense.



There was a study done recently. The problem with American politics is that the majority of Americans are literally too stupid to elect the best leader.
Scientists say America is too dumb for democracy to thrive | Politics Blog | an SFGate.com blog

Hehe, that reminds me of the film "Idiocracy"....

[Navi]

I'm not sure if it's as much stupidity as it is their source of information. He who has the most dollars, gets the most votes in America. They're all glued to their TV sets and other media. The majority of Americans see their media and bible as truth. They're all being played like good little pawns. It's funny to watch.

It's ignorance, forced or voluntary, that's keeping these people in power in the US. I'm not even talking about the president. Obama gave quite the effort to make changes for the better. The majority of the elected officials shit on all of his ideas out of spite and fear of change. Making him seem useless. They succeeded for a while.

I'm from Canada and I can read between the lines better than most American citizens when it comes to American politics. I only pay attention because ours aren't nearly as exciting. Our political party money cap is much lower, and misconduct brings the Governor general into the fray to slap everyone's hand. In America, politicians can run around flaming their opponents and shitting in their cereal. It's hilarious. It's like monkeys in suits.

You saw that Obama presentation too, huh? As I was listening I was like "this guy fucking gets it!", then the camera panned to the room and everyone looked confused. Then all of the questions had an undertone suggesting that he's trying to do something under-handed. "I don't understand, so you must be trying to trick me!"

^ Pretty much all of this.

It's hilarious to watch but also rather concerning.


I could go on about this for hours and hours but I'll refrain from that, as you have summarized it perfectly.

[FearsomeCritter]

I'm way more evasive than violent. But if someone ever attacked me or someone i love, so help me:







God help them.





At any rate, ISTPs are definitely more prone to it i think. But i don't think it's so much due to anger / explosion of uncontrollable rage. I think it's more a matter of Justice / defense being done while the system is looking the other way.

Augusta, GA

Orville Smith, a store manager for Best Buy in Augusta, Georgia, told police he observed a male customer, later identified as Tyrone Jackson of Augusta, on surveillance cameras putting a laptop computer under his jacket... When confronted the man became irate, knocked down an employee, drew a knife and ran for the door.Outside on the sidewalk were four Marines collecting toys for the "Toys for Tots" program. Smith said the Marines stopped the man, but he stabbed one of the Marines, Cpl. Phillip Duggan, in the back; the injury did not appear to be severe. After Police and an ambulance arrived at the scene Cpl. Duggan was transported for treatment. The subject was also transported to the local hospital with two broken arms, a broken ankle, a broken leg, several missing teeth, possible broken ribs, multiple contusions, assorted lacerations, a broken nose and a broken jaw...injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off of the curb after stabbing the Marine.