[PhotoGeek]

Here's the thing. If there were only one difference, I would say "Ok, maybe I am still ISTP", but there are just TOO MANY inconsistencies and differences for me to think that I am. You know?

[Era]

Here's the thing. If there were only one difference, I would say "Ok, maybe I am still ISTP", but there are just TOO MANY inconsistencies and differences for me to think that I am. You know?

Tell you what, why don't we make you an honorary ISTP until you decide for sure. :-) Whatever your type is, it's great to have you around and I'm sure every ISTP here would agree.

[lucky]

I think you're probably just stuck in a Ti-Ni thought loop. I know that's the only reason that causes me to question my type. It's why we're mechanics - we want to figure out how we work, and we want to be certain that's how we work.

Once I step outside my head and begin using my hands, there's no question anymore, because determining my type doesn't really matter.

How did you end up here thinking you were ISTP?

And once you've settled on a new type, what are you going to do with it?


The quote in your signature seems pretty SP to me. Is that because you're identified with a certain type? Or is that how you feel and have always felt?

[PhotoGeek]

I think you're probably just stuck in a Ti-Ni thought loop. I know that's the only reason I compulsively that causes me to question my type.

Once I step outside my head and begin using my hands, there's no question anymore, because determining my type doesn't really matter.

How did you end up here thinking you were ISTP?

And once you've settled on a new type, what are you going to do with it?

Haha, I haven't decided anything yet.

Maybe I am in an Ti-Ni thought loop? I don't really know. Maybe I'm just spewing piles of crap? It's hard for me to remain completely objective about my internal thoughts... What is really me talking, and what is something else that I've seen/read/heard? What are my ideas and what are ideas others have put into my head?

How I ended up thinking I was ISTP was by various articles and questioning given to me by Functianalyst. Before that, I thought I was INTP, maybe F leaning (although I see now that there's no way I could ever be xFxx). If you are curious there was a long thread about it earlier... lemme find it.

INTP, INFJ, or INTJ?

Tell you what, why don't we make you an honorary ISTP until you decide for sure. :-) Whatever your type is, it's great to have you around and I'm sure every ISTP here would agree.

Haha, thanks rousse! Much appreciated.

I think I'll say IXTP for now. :)

[Functianalyst]

Like, I would start with one or two pieces, see how they relate, and start forming a story, jump over to another piece and go, "Well, what if it went like this" and on and on in different directions, the story evolves and changes, until I have 10 or so pieces that may not look cohesive in appearance, but share a common theme (that I've created). I hope that's more clear about what I do. It's more about interacting with the photos and then weaving them into a pattern--so Ne. It's very scattered. Oh and the story may or may not be a "story" in the typical sense of the word.

Photo, Ne and Se consider the possibilities in how to carry out a project. Se organizes the raw data or material into something. Ne most likely will never conclude the project since they grew tired after the tangent explosion of ideas. Still not sure why you have this belief you’re describing Ne.

I'm pretty sure algebraic structures and complex analysis is pretty damn abstract. And I can't really use Se to do complex analysis can I?

I am pretty sure now you’re not even discussing Se, Ne, Si, Ni or anything perceiving. You’re referring to Ti.

Ok, so I'm curious. How would you describe the way Ne enjoys taking pictures? Just for clarification...

There is already an illustration of this in either Kroeger or the Tiegers book: Se may focus on the foreground to make sure they get the central object. Ne may focus on the background and not necessarily care whether the central object is in focus.

I think you are wrong here. I do believe that math proofs and algebraic structures, number theory, etc involve interacting with something outside of yourself. You are interacting with the equations, the theorems and all the data: the systems. I didn't mean for this to be so math centered. But since it keeps coming up....

And I think you are overwhelmed in attempting to understand the processes.

Analyzing, categorizing, and figuring out how something works. Using introverted Thinking is like having an internal sense of the essential qualities of something, noticing the fine distinctions that make it what it is and then naming it. It also involves an internal reasoning process of deriving subcategories of classes and sub-principles of general principles. These can then be used in problem solving, analysis, and refining of a product or an idea. This process is evidenced in behaviors like taking things or ideas apart to figure out how they work. The analysis involves looking at different sides of an issue and seeing where there is inconsistency. In so doing, there is a search for a "leverage point" that will fix problems with the least amount of effort or damage to the system.

Why would you think doing a math equation takes any sort of intuiting?

Here's the thing. If there were only one difference, I would say "Ok, maybe I am still ISTP", but there are just TOO MANY inconsistencies and differences for me to think that I am. You know?

As I said when you first came here, you will go through this process more and more….because it is what we do as types using perceiving as the extraverted function. In this case you are again overwhelmed by function usage. It may be easier for you to make your decision in lieu of functions and instead use the dichotomy system of preferring E/I, S/N, T/F, and J/P.

Are you always like this?

Like what? My facetious response originally was merely to point out the irony of your statement. So why get riled up and why do you think someone that uses Ni only second to INJs and ENJs would not be tolerant of theory?

[PhotoGeek]

The quote in your signature seems pretty SP to me. Is that because you're identified with a certain type? Or is that how you feel and have always felt?

The quote in my sig is from a song off the newest album by my favorite artist. It's the chorus. Haha, I did notice that it fit ISTP though after I added it.

[PhotoGeek]

Photo, Ne and Se consider the possibilities in how to carry out a project. Se organizes the raw data or material into something. Ne most likely will never conclude the project since they grew tired after the tangent explosion of ideas. Still not sure why you have this belief you’re describing Ne.

I don't know why you are so intent on me being ISTP. I would like to know, then, what process is it? It sounds like Ne to me. I have read so many different descriptions of Ne, and they all kind of sound like what I described. I need more input from other people who know processes besides you. Why should I take your word for it? It's getting to the point where you are starting to piss me off with your arrogance.

The reason those projects get carried out to completion are: a) an assignment/portfolio/exhibit is due and I will fail the class/not get my art in the exhibit if I don't get it done, b) I am very interested in art, and that drives me to actually complete it (which isn't as frequent as the former).

Please, enlighten me on what exactly Ne is. Unless you don't know. In which case, you should just acknowledge it instead of misleading me.

I am pretty sure now you’re not even discussing Se, Ne, Si, Ni or anything perceiving. You’re referring to Ti.

I think you cannot say for sure unless you have studied high level math. Obviously using Se to do a proof is pretty absurd. I meant it to be. I'm pretty sure you can go ask the INTP or INTJ (though they would be less interested in it than INTPs probably) forums and see what they say about using intuition in high level math (with a thinking function, of course), and I'm pretty sure they would say emphatically, "YES". Why don't you try it before claiming you know something for fact to be true? You INTJ, you.

There is already an illustration of this in either Kroeger or the Tiegers book: Se may focus on the foreground to make sure they get the central object. Ne may focus on the background and not necessarily care whether the central object is in focus.

I'm sorry, I don't have a library in my basement (not that I don't wish I did). It depends on what I'm going for whether I want the "central object" to be in focus, or the background. If it's a conceptual piece, then maybe I want the foreground to be fuzzy, or maybe not. Maybe the central object is an important piece of the conceptual puzzle. I don't see how what you focus on determines which process you're using.

And I think you are overwhelmed in attempting to understand the processes. Why would you think doing a math equation takes any sort of intuiting? As I said when you first came here, you will go through this process more and more….because it is what we do as types using perceiving as the extraverted function. In this case you are again overwhelmed by function usage. It may be easier for you to make your decision in lieu of functions and instead use the dichotomy system of preferring E/I, S/N, T/F, and J/P.

How about this. You give me a description of every single process, and I will tell you which ones I use for what. Because apparently I don't know anything about cognitive functions and they are just "too confusing" for my weak little brain to handle. If I used the dichotomy system I would say I-N-T-P, because the general dichotomy description for S is NOT WHAT I USE, because it is vague and combines SJs and SPs into one group, which they are very different. It's not a good way to find your type, and you know it, so I don't know why you are suggesting it. There's so much more to it than the 4 letters. When I used the 4 letters as the only way to type, I got INTP. Which may or may not be right.

Here's another thing. If I tell you that I DON'T CARE ABOUT CONCRETE APPLICATIONS OF THEORY, which is said to be true of all sensors, what part of that don't you understand? And why, out of the (apparently) few ISTPs that are actually interested in theory (represented by those in the forum), am I the only one that finds these subjects appealing? What I'm trying to say, is that if I am an ISTP, then I am a very strange one that actually likes theory for theory's sake. All I'm saying is that something doesn't add up. What say you to that, Mr. Smarty-pants?


Edit: Sorry I was rude. You got me all in a tizzy by proclaiming to know what I was thinking (even though you didn't mean it like that), I guess. :) Yeah, I won't delete it, but I didn't mean to be so harsh. Ok maybe I did a little..... ANYway.

[MissFixit]

I think I'll say IXTP for now. :)

that's what i was thinking! maybe you're just really balanced! That's possible right?

[PhotoGeek]

that's what i was thinking! maybe you're just really balanced! That's possible right?

Yes, I think so. :)

[PhotoGeek]

Ok so, I did a little research.

Ne (Extroverted Intuition):

Pattern Surfing: Ne involves interpreting situations and relationships, and picking up meanings and interconnections, seeing patterns emerging. Ne is useful in getting the gist of a situation very quickly. It has an uncanny instinct for spotting trends and possible future developments, often before others are even mildly aware of them.

Check!

Brainstorming: Ne involves entertaining a wealth of possible interpretations from just one idea. Using this process, we can juggle many different ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and meanings in our mind at once with the possibility that they are all true. By using this process one can really appreciate brainstorming and trust what emerges, enjoying imaginative play with scenarios and combining possibilities, using a kind of cross-contextual thinking.

CHECK CHECK CHECK! Times one thousand.

Improvisation: Words, ideas and possibilities spew effortlessly from Ne using types. They are keen improvisers, and they are rarely caught off guard; there is always something up their sleeve.

The first sentence gets a check. I don't know as much about the second.

Change Initiation: Ne initiates change and often is prone to trespassing a few known boundaries to take themselves and others where no one has been before. Their faith in possibilities and belief in the benefit of change often inspires others to follow. They are challenging, ingenious and innovative. They will give their best to what appears to be an impossible challenge, a place unknown to man or beast. Ne also can involve catalyzing people and extemporaneously shaping situations, spreading an atmosphere of change through the emergent leadership.

I like, accept, and initiate change, but I don't think I really inspire others or catalyze people. I think that's an Ne dominant thing maybe. I wouldn't be Ne dominant, I know that much.

Inspirational Energy: Ne types, when inspired, are fearless and tireless. Their energy will know no limits. They possess the ability to go without food or rest, beyond other personality types’ limits. Ne types are easily inspired and their enthusiasm is contagious to others around them causing them to become inspired as well.

I can be very much like this during certain periods, but I think ISTPs can be, too. Like, when I get really excited about a subject or an idea.

I already know I am Ti dominant, so I won't post the list of traits. And I know I use Se to a pretty good extent, so I won't post that either.

Ni (Introverted intuition):

Perspective Shifting: Using Ni a person can shift their perspectives, view and understand things from different angles and in different ways, each giving insights, synthesizing information and trying to get to the best outcome for the problem at hand and accomplish a vision of the future. Perspectives are often evoked by focusing on physical symbols, archetypes, totems, and other abstractions like visual models. This ability allows the Ni user to see the underlying meaning and universal truths of natural law behind symbols and abstractions, and then apply them in other places that appear unrelated or contradictory.

Yes for some (first sentence for sure!), but not really the part about archetypes and totems, but I do definitely use visual models. I disagree with the idea of an absolute "universal truth", so that last sentence is kinda meh for me. But the first sentence is spot on.

Meaningful Insight: Ni involves synthesizing the seemingly paradoxical or contradictory, which takes understanding to a new level. Using this process, one can have moments when completely new, unimagined realizations come to them. Quite often during times of relaxation after concentrated intellectual activity, when the mind is allowed to wander freely, the Ni seems to take over and can produce the sudden clarifying insights. Ni is a way of seeing things that rise above competing views. Engaging this process starts with entering a state of withdrawal from the world in order to purposefully gain an insight or realization. These insights may manifest as "aha!" experiences, the kind of thing that "pops" into your head while you're taking a shower. Once these insights come to pass they can align them with their global model transforming it into an updated perspective of the world and future.

Check. This is good. For instance, "I need to get away from this photography/logo design/etc for a little bit" go eat dinner, go sit at home for an hour or so, and suddenly "I have an idea!".

Prediction: Ni is always looking for implications of how the future will unfold. Ni types often find themselves laying out how the future will unfold based on unseen trends and telling signs. Because of this curious power that Ni users have, they tend to be seen as having a “psychic” or prophetic quality to them.

Uhhh no. Well, the psychic part. But yes, seeing implications of the future and laying out plans for the future, are a yes.

Visionary Drive: The sense of the future and the realizations that come from Ni have sureness and an imperative quality that seem to demand action and help us stay focused on fulfilling our vision or dream of how things will be in the future. The Ni user can hold the ideal future society or system within their Ni, and rigorously drive toward this goal to turn it into reality.

YEP.

Independence of Mind: Ni dominants confidently trust their intuitions, insights, ideas, and inspirations - often no matter what others say. Their thoughts become part of who they are, and they are completely independent of the world the live in. Ni dominants are the most independent minded of all other types, the insights they pick up on in their lives are completely original and subjective. For this reason, many Ni dominants feel like aliens, as if they perceive a completely different reality from everyone else.

Pretty much, but minus some of the woe-is-me nobody-understands-me crap. Also, I think I am playing up my independence of mind because it's an ideal for me... so maybe this isn't as true as I think.

Suppression: Ni and Se have a suppressive relationship. Ni causes the person to withdraw from the active sensual environment in order to work effectively. The slightest nudge, impulse noise, or visual flash can knock a person completely out of Ni and derail their train of thought. Because of this, Ni dominants can’t stand being interrupted, and prefer to surround themselves with only the most pleasant of sensations.

HELL YES.

See, every time I look at the functions I get confused. I think one of the intuitions must be exaggerated, or learned. I'm just not sure which one it is.... I think it's harder to see the difference between Ne and Ni than Se and Si.

Edit: had to add some more checks to Ne "Brainstorming". :)