[Yardiff Bey]

...ultimate insightful post on ISTJ nature...

This is partly why I'm making the effort to open up my horizons a bit.

Glad to have you around. <_<

[Lunamir24]

This is partly why I'm making the effort to open up my horizons a bit.

Glad to have you around. <_<

Thanks :D you tooo

I have gained an admiration for your insights you contribute here. I don't know you in real life, but I'm going to guess it's understanding people like you whom we ISTJs come to enjoy being around.

....but at the same time, I would probably be shocked and freaked out if certain people at my school were to gain this good of an understanding of me. My unwitting mysterious is what protects me.

Thank you. Hahaha, I think my friends would be freaked/creeped out if I shared these perceptions of mine to them too. So I keep it to myself, unless I had some reason to share it with them lol.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh the bane of my existence!

haha, and @Sela I was curious as to why you said this :P. Do you encounter any problems from having what's viewed as more masculine personality traits? If so, is it more from others or something you struggle with yourself because of perhaps, different expectations? Just wondering!

[Qadosh]

For an ISTJ meeting other ISTJs is like... meeting quiet people. And conversation can feel forced.

[Sela]

haha, and @Sela I was curious as to why you said this :P. Do you encounter any problems from having what's viewed as more masculine personality traits? If so, is it more from others or something you struggle with yourself because of perhaps, different expectations? Just wondering!

The %#$&$^* site ate my long and well-thought-out reply so now I'm back to Square One.

The short answer is both. Western society has a certain expectation for women, and one of those expectations is that women act like compassionate, nurturing, and social creatures. When a woman busts that stereotype, she's automatically labeled a bitch. Nevermind the fact that a man in Western society is praised for doing the SAME EXACT THING. If I had a dollar for every time someone called me a bitch (or some variation thereof), I'd be about as rich as Warren Buffet right now.

[Adesi]

The %#$&$^* site ate my long and well-thought-out reply so now I'm back to Square One.

The short answer is both. Western society has a certain expectation for women, and one of those expectations is that women act like compassionate, nurturing, and social creatures. When a woman busts that stereotype, she's automatically labeled a bitch. Nevermind the fact that a man in Western society is praised for doing the SAME EXACT THING. If I had a dollar for every time someone called me a bitch (or some variation thereof), I'd be about as rich as Warren Buffet right now.

I think I'd get this more if I were an E instead of an I :p. But really, I don't see "bitch" as necessarily being negative. I think it's a bit empowering.

[Adesi]

I know two ISTJs, one guy and one girl..

Are you a stalker? As others have said, this is really accurate.

[Lunamir24]

The %#$&$^* site ate my long and well-thought-out reply so now I'm back to Square One.

The short answer is both. Western society has a certain expectation for women, and one of those expectations is that women act like compassionate, nurturing, and social creatures. When a woman busts that stereotype, she's automatically labeled a bitch. Nevermind the fact that a man in Western society is praised for doing the SAME EXACT THING. If I had a dollar for every time someone called me a bitch (or some variation thereof), I'd be about as rich as Warren Buffet right now.

I think I'd get this more if I were an E instead of an I :p. But really, I don't see "bitch" as necessarily being negative. I think it's a bit empowering.

Wow, do people actually say to your face that you're a bitch? Are they usually guys or girls? That's so rude/mean. Although honestly, how I described my first impression of ISTJs.. they do seem pretty distant/cold towards others upon first getting to know. I think it's their straightforward & frank attitude, which likes to 'cut the crap and get straight to the point quickly' that can make their comments seem blunt & insensitive sometimes.. and when they have to or feel strongly about something, they aren't afraid to point out & call people on their bullshit/mistakes either. This, along with the attitude of seeming like they don't care about what other people think of them can contribute to appearing 'bitchy' even if they aren't. Sometimes people don't get their dry sense of humor & take offense as well. Kind of why I was also intimidated by them at first (since I can be really sensitive.. so their direct style of communication could be scary/threatening). However, as I got to know them better, I found out they were very kind/humble people underneath and they don't really hurt people on purpose (but that's just how they are comfortable communicating & naturally are). Although XD I have seen instances where if they are incredibly annoyed by someone & think someone deserves a wake up call.. then they aren't afraid to say exactly what they think even If they know it will hurt.

But yeah, because of the gender differences.. I think females get more problems of being seen as a bitch. I think guys can still be seen as assholes too though lol but I guess they can get away with it more. But like @Adesi said, I also think it's a positive/empowering trait. I actually admire how they can be so honest & strong-minded. It can be very refreshing having an ISTJ around to just say it as it is. And I think the ISTJ female I know actually takes pride in these so called 'masculine traits' because it just means people perceive her as independent, capable, strong, etc. and she just doesn't care what people think of her in general but how she feels about herself. I think that's very coool.

Are you a stalker? As others have said, this is really accurate.

Lol, this is why I don't tell my friends these observations of mine ;p because yeah they'd probably think I'm some creepy stalker & feel awkward. But no! at least I don't think I am? haha, I only learned about them from our interactions and learned some things on this forum as well :D. It could be because I can be somewhat daring in some of the questions I ask them, and so I get a peek at their inner world perhaps.

[MBTI Enthusiast]

For an ISTJ meeting other ISTJs is like... meeting quiet people. And conversation can feel forced.

Aww. I refuse to believe it!

[MonieJ]

Lol it's like lookin at a mirror pretty much.

Ofc starting a convo is the pits neither wants to speak first, so a bit of awkward silence happens but once it's over find we have a lot in common.

I believe I've only meet two others IRL sooo yeaaah.

[niss]

Aww. I refuse to believe it!

Believe it.