[Tyr]

I recently scored ISTJ (close to ESTJ) and this is really no big suprise. This seemed like the most logical of them all ;)

I read that ISTJ often value traditional living and principles based on logic.
I see myself as a conservative (not the american "ayn-rand-fuck-all-else-enterprise-conservatism" but more the european meaning of the word e.g. more "community minded" with strong traditional values...)

To me, these values I have is not really based on logic many of my principles are, but not this.
To me its more logical to have an cyber/ateist world based on science but do I 'want' to live in that world? Yes and No.

I'm beginning to realize how this actually is a big conflict within my life when thinking about the future.

For example: It's more effecient to develop technological inplants to enhance memory, but would I want it? Would you work for it?

How do you stand on this diconomy? Perhaps this isn't a big deal but I want to clear it out.

[Qadosh]

Tyr
Tear

must be an emo.

[Tyr]

Tyr
Tear

must be an emo.

Yeah, Qadosh, Mus be some sort of squash?
How about thinking a little before you post, maybe reading a book? Tyr is acutally my born name and I have an intrest in Norse gods from which it originates.

[Qadosh]

Yeah, Qadosh, Mus be some sort of squash?
How about thinking a little before you post, maybe reading a book? Tyr is acutally my born name and I have an intrest in Norse gods from which it originates.

Clearly, I did a little thinking before posting. Don't you see how I cleverly took a homophone of your name to deduce that you must be an emo? Maybe if you read a book you would know how to correctly spell "actually" and "interest". Don't post ignorant, mean, typist comments in this forum and expect to be greeted with open arms.

[ISTLgal]

Yeah, Qadosh, Mus be some sort of squash?
How about thinking a little before you post, maybe reading a book? Tyr is acutally my born name and I have an intrest in Norse gods from which it originates.

How do I stand on the issue? Well, if I could download all the info. I needed into my brain without having to spend hours and hours studying it, then I'd go for it and have a life as well as being a nerd! And if it didn't work out for some reason then I'd sort that out when I got into that situation :)

In terms of my 'values' regarding this topic. Ok, we are human, we are not machines. But, we are more machine than human compared to say an INFJ. Its all relative. Also, I don't really understand your OP. Can you re-word it and make it clearer, otherwise no one else is going to answer either...

[Yardiff Bey]

Hi Tyr. First off, welcome to the forums.

If I read your post correctly, you are talking about Transhumanism and the effects of the Singularity upon what makes people human. Specifically, how ISTJ's might view this potentially-troubling transition/stage of the evolution of humanity to humanity+ and suchlike issues. Particularly given our supposedly traditional views on living, community, and suchlike.

I cannot give you an "all ISTJs think like this" view - only my own rather muddled thoughts. Here they are:

1/ I personally expect the Singularity to occur somewhere on the order of 100 years from now. Note that I do not say "on the close order". It could happen within 10 years (very doubtful), I would be surprised if it took longer than 1,000 years. Genius and inspiration are difficult to predict. As such I think that some people will embrace it, others will not. Just like using any other tool.

2/ I personally expect that memory-enhancement technology will be far sooner, probably in the range of 15-25 years away. When it comes down to it, it's simply hooking the equivalent of Google directly into the brain. This will not be an enhancement of intelligence: people will still be limited to their normal thinking patterns and experience. Just Google-on-demand. As such I do not consider it a threat to my values.

The only reservation that I have with #2 is that there had better be very strong firewall/antivirus equivalents (I don't want my brain hacked) and very strong protections for the sources of information. If I don't trust it, I won't use it, no matter what anyone else might say and no matter what the benefits of using it.

As Cory Doctrow said, Metacrap / Poisoning the Well can have very strong benefits for the poisoners.

http://www.well.com/~doctorow/metacrap.htm

If I'm completely wrong about your post: oh well.

[Tyr]

Clearly, I did a little thinking before posting. Don't you see how I cleverly took a homophone of your name to deduce that you must be an emo? Maybe if you read a book you would know how to correctly spell "actually" and "interest". Don't post ignorant, mean, typist comments in this forum and expect to be greeted with open arms.

Very clever. Its funny how deducing words and pointing out typos (I also cant spell "Must" ...) without any relevant response/information whatsoever to my first post is more justified in this forum according to you. Even more fun is that you let yourself become a hypocrite by posting ignorant comments.

In terms of my 'values' regarding this topic. Ok, we are human, we are not machines. But, we are more machine than human compared to say an INFJ. Its all relative. Also, I don't really understand your OP. Can you re-word it and make it clearer, otherwise no one else is going to answer either...

Well, its kind of hard to explain. But if I give you some choices:

A. computer implants to enhance humanity
B. traditional living

A. Natural sciences
B. Church

A. futurism (arts)
B. Classicism (arts)

This is very stretched and perhaps bad examples but to me these contradicts eachother, but what is ISTJ's (general) preference? Both seem valid from a both (A) logical (an "robotic" ;)) and (B) Traditional point of view. I prefer the B's, but (to me) the A seems more logical and thinking about it I am suprised that I don't lean more towards A.

[Qadosh]

Very clever. Its funny how deducing words and pointing out typos (I also cant spell "Must" ...) without any relevant response/information whatsoever to my first post is more justified in this forum according to you. Even more fun is that you let yourself become a hypocrite by posting ignorant comments.

[MissJordan]

Thank god I ain't one of those self-righteous INTJ types... really pisses me of when these parasitic idiots go on and on about how "smart" they are while living with their moms. Stereotypic?

Feel free to be a pratt, by the way.

[Rhee]

Very clever. Its funny how deducing words and pointing out typos (I also cant spell "Must" ...) without any relevant response/information whatsoever to my first post is more justified in this forum according to you. Even more fun is that you let yourself become a hypocrite by posting ignorant comments.

Dude, I think you mistook a friendly quip for something it was not. Qadosh is a pretty cool guy. You'll see.

Welcome to the forums.

Well, its kind of hard to explain. But if I give you some choices:

A. computer implants to enhance humanity
B. traditional living

A. Natural sciences
B. Church

A. futurism (arts)
B. Classicism (arts)

This is very stretched and perhaps bad examples but to me these contradicts eachother, but what is ISTJ's (general) preference? Both seem valid from a both (A) logical (an "robotic" ;)) and (B) Traditional point of view. I prefer the B's, but (to me) the A seems more logical and thinking about it I am suprised that I don't lean more towards A.

My preference is for society to be a place where individuals are free to choose from both (A) and (B).

The (A) point of view IMO is abstract logic.
You don't lean towards it because you're aware of the fact that 'pure logic' in its extreme state isn't always realistically applicable to life. Any social change is slow and gradual. The world doesn't show a dichotomy between (A) and (B), it's more likely to show a mixture of both. Same goes for individual preferences and views.