Difference between ISTJ and INTJ

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This is a discussion on Difference between ISTJ and INTJ within the ISTJ Forum - The Duty Fulfillers forums, part of the SJ's Temperament Forum- The Overseers category; I took several test and I always got the ISTJ result, but in HumanMetrics, I got INTJ... is it possible ...

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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    Difference between ISTJ and INTJ

    I took several test and I always got the ISTJ result, but in HumanMetrics, I got INTJ... is it possible that I'm a mixture between both? What are the differences between this types?



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    INTP - The Thinkers

    A good starting point would be to say that the ISTJ's primary function is Si while INTJ's primary is Ni.

    Si - Introverted Sensing: Reviewing past experiences; “what is” evoking “what was”; seeking detailed information and links to what is known; recalling stored impressions; accumulating data; recognizing the way things have always been. Remembering the last time you wore a particular item or the last time you were at a similar event—maybe even remembering how you felt then.

    Ni - Introverted iNtuiting: Foreseeing implications and likely effects without external data; realizing “what will be”; conceptualizing new ways of seeing things; envisioning transformations; getting an image of profound meaning or far-reaching symbols. Envisioning yourself in an outfit or maybe envisioning yourself being a certain way.

    Check out these two profiles and tell me what does and doesn't sound right to you.

    ISTJ

    INTJ

    Some people really are borderline between types while others simply present a bias in self-reporting for online tests, so it's best to assume you're primarily one or the other before settling on middle ground.
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    hmmm, I cant say with 100% accuracy what its like being either type. But the iNtuitive and Sensing have huge differences. Intuitive people think more in symbols and is future oriented, sees the world through a sort of 6th sense, they notice patterns between thoughts, emotions, people, animals and so on. While the sensing types sees the reality according to the 5 senses, what once was and how that fits with the moment in hand.

    From here

    Introverted Sensing often involves storing data and information, then comparing and contrasting the current situation with similar ones. The immediate experience or words are instantly linked with the prior experiences, and we register a similarity or a difference—for example, noticing that some food doesn’t taste the same or is saltier than it usually is. Introverted Sensing is also operating when we see someone who reminds us of someone else. Sometimes a feeling associated with the recalled image comes into our awareness along with the information itself. Then the image can be so strong, our body responds as if reliving the experience. The process also involves reviewing the past to draw on the lessons of history, hindsight, and experience. With introverted Sensing, there is often great attention to detail and getting a clear picture of goals and objectives and what is to happen. There can be a oneness with ageless customs that help sustain civilization and culture and protect what is known and long-lasting, even while what is reliable changes.
    Introverted iNtuiting involves synthesizing the seemingly paradoxical or contradictory, which takes understanding to a new level. Using this process, we can have moments when completely new, unimagined realizations come to us. A disengagement from interactions in the room occurs, followed by a sudden “Aha!” or “That’s it!” The sense of the future and the realizations that come from introverted iNtuiting have a sureness and an imperative quality that seem to demand action and help us stay focused on fulfilling our vision or dream of how things will be in the future. Using this process, we might rely on a focal device or symbolic action to predict, enlighten, or transform. We could find ourselves laying out how the future will unfold based on unseen trends and telling signs. This process can involve working out complex concepts or systems of thinking or conceiving of symbolic or novel ways to understand things that are universal. It can lead to creating transcendent experiences or solutions.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Just my take, but I'd be reluctant to rely entirely on BestTypeFit's descriptions. They're very much geared toward the work world, not toward the "whole person." Which is fine, but it may not give you the full picture. If I went by BestTypeFit alone, I'd definitely be an ISTJ or an INFJ. Not to say that the MBTI is exactly scientific to begin with....

    A few thoughts on how one might distiquish an INTJ and an ISTJ, just based on personal experience--they may or may not apply:

    Pedro, if you're a bookworm, what does your home library look like? History, economics, and/or non-fiction with a fiction book or two mixed in, or lots of fiction with a non-fiction book or two mixed in?
    Do you read magazines? If so, on what subjects?
    Do you tend to have every last hair in place when you go out or to work, or you do end up looking a little "ruffled" or "frumpy" despite your best efforts?
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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    Thanks you all for your answers, all of them are very usefull.

    Trope:

    I read the descriptions, and I identify almost with everything with a ISTJ, especially the "beeing responsible and sense of duty" thing. I don't identify much with the part of beein financially secure, I pay my bills on time and all, but I think I spend more than I should. I also like to plan ahead, specially in important stuff, but not as much as the usual description says, specially in casual or informal things (dinner, going out, etc). Also, I'm traditional, but not as squared and rigid as the description says.

    I think I'm more an ISTJ because I respect authority, and I have a hard time finishing relationships. The thing I'm identified with INTJ's is that I can understand a general idea and apply it in different, new applications. I studied economics, and while others had trouble applying a known concept for resolving a whole new problem in math or economics, I could easly understand the connection, or create new ways of resolving it, using the general principles (in math, the following resolution of the equations is another story, I had trouble dealing with details and I probably wrote a number in the wrong order and mess the answer at the end)

    Slowriot: In the test I made where I got INTJ, I suppose the "new" questions that changed the aswer were preciselly about your IN description: "You often think about humankind and its destiny" or "You easily see the general principle behind specific occurrences", in both I aswered "yes" and that changed the result.

    More Tea: I don't like fantasy related books (or movies, hate star wars, lord of the rings, etc. I like The Godfather, or any deep dramas with complex characters). I preffer economics, psychology, evolution, etc... everything that help me understand how people take decisions and why they act in a certain way. I often think about how complex the world is, human interaction, evolution, our smallness in the universe, etc.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    It sounds to me like you're a very practical, grounded INTJ. But bear in mind the bias of the person drawing the conclusion.

    I have similar concerns of being on the cusp with T and F. A lot of the INFJ description applies to me, but if I really sit down and think about how I operate, I am a T--a T that is very honest about their emotions and even empathic at times, but still a T.

    Personally, I think being on the cusp can be a good thing. You can access the best of two worlds.
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    INTJ - The Scientists


    The INTJ would probably consider my suggestion that having an open box with a bucket weighing 10 pounds full of some substance at the very back of it on a top shelf will result in a future employee injury. But I wonder if the ISTJ"s lack of future orientation would prevent his consideration. This did happen recently at a job. It's like the guy's mind couldn't go there.

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    Unknown Personality

    Trope:
    Si - Introverted Sensing: Reviewing past experiences; “what is” evoking “what was”; seeking detailed information and links to what is known; recalling stored impressions; accumulating data; recognizing the way things have always been. Remembering the last time you wore a particular item or the last time you were at a similar event—maybe even remembering how you felt then.

    Ni - Introverted iNtuiting: Foreseeing implications and likely effects without external data; realizing “what will be”; conceptualizing new ways of seeing things; envisioning transformations; getting an image of profound meaning or far-reaching symbols. Envisioning yourself in an outfit or maybe envisioning yourself being a certain way.
    Hmm it makes sense that I've fallen between two chairs since I make use of both these strategies.

    What would you call a person that is 50% on all the traits besides labeling him E/IS/NT/FJ/P?

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by hornet View Post
    Trope:


    Hmm it makes sense that I've fallen between two chairs since I make use of both these strategies.

    What would you call a person that is 50% on all the traits besides labeling him E/IS/NT/FJ/P?
    If they claimed to fall dead center on all four, I'd likely want to call them a liar. It's that uncommon. Usually it's more a case of a person with one trait being surrounded by people with the other, and being conditioned into learning to behave in a manner befitting the opposing side, even though it doesn't come so naturally. It's something like trying to get a left handed person to use their right hand for everything or vice-versa. Since everyone else does things that way, it only seems natural that they should too.

    To answer your question though, it would referred to as XXXX. As X's are used most often as placeholders for borderline or undefined traits. The problem is that people often mistake the two as being interchangeable. In your case, if you're borderline Ni and Si, it would be IxTJ. Best way to go though, in my opinion, is to find which applies more aptly, and simply state that you have a weak preference for that trait. People often depict this with a lowercase letter such as InTJ or IsTJ.
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    Unknown Personality

    That makes alot of sense!

    I learned to be more into my senses by meditating and similar stuff.
    I was a INTJ when I was younger.


 
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