[oldtoby]

Exactly. No one cares about the ISTJ females! I have nothing to contribute to those threads.

Well ill be happy to come here and complain about my ISTJ girlfriend as soon as can actually meet one out in the world.

[Seanna]

All this talk about Cleo's thread piqued my interest.

@Cleo I noticed that you wrote the original post with a load of feelings. One thing I have noticed with feelers is that when you talk in feelings and are being one- sided, they become polarized. They either completely agree with you or begin to hate you.

I only skimmed through first two pages, but the main point that jumped out to me for the cause of all the hate was your wording. Your sentiment was good, but the way you expressed it was a bit off. You probably didn't deserve the negative hate you got from some posters, but the reason for it was that you didn't word your original post properly. Your post was a bit polarized and your wording was harsh.

There are times, I have noticed when we know what we are saying is right, but the way we end up expressing it, makes us seem wrong in others eyes. Sometimes, we just need to know how to express ourselves such that it doesn't offend others. You as an INFJ, probably don't get this problem often. But we as thinkers, find ourselves facing this predicament often- that our wording manages to offend some while we know what we speak is the truth. Most of us (thinkers) learn/ try to censor our language expression in order to minimise this hate. You as a feeler, are probably new to this problem of being careful with your expression.

Your observation is very wise. I too think it was in her delivery - I myself cannot communicate verbally at all when I am in an emotional state. The best thing to do is calm down and then approach the subject rationally. Heated emotions only bring conflict... however, the name calling really was stooping pretty low. Some of the responses were no more mature than the OP, but they pretended they were.

[hello317]

All this talk about Cleo's thread piqued my interest.
I noticed that you wrote the original post with a load of feelings. One thing I have noticed with feelers is that when you talk in feelings and are being one- sided, they become polarized. They either completely agree with you or begin to hate you.

I only skimmed through first two pages, but the main point that jumped out to me for the cause of all the hate was your wording. Your sentiment was good, but the way you expressed it was a bit off. You probably didn't deserve the negative hate you got from some posters, but the reason for it was that you didn't word your original post properly. Your post was a bit polarized and your wording was harsh.

There are times, I have noticed when we know what we are saying is right, but the way we end up expressing it, makes us seem wrong in others eyes. Sometimes, we just need to know how to express ourselves such that it doesn't offend others. You as an INFJ, probably don't get this problem often. But we as thinkers, find ourselves facing this predicament often- that our wording manages to offend some while we know what we speak is the truth. Most of us (thinkers) learn/ try to censor our language expression in order to minimise this hate. You as a feeler, are probably new to this problem of being careful with your expression.

As always. Well said! 1000 thanks.
The bolded part is what I wanna say.

[Cleo]

I went over to see how ridiculous the thread was. And the way they reacted was pretty ridiculous. I showed it to my ENFJ roommate so that she could see how ridiculous they were acting. But her NF kicked in and she wrote an inspirational post on the thread.

I saw it, it was really sweet. Thanks. :)

Haha. That thread was so funny! Thank you, Cleo for that. =D

Also, just hang around the ISTJ forum. We'll protect you. Stand behind the Sparta-esque wall of ISTJ shield bearers.

Thank you. I feel special and protected. :)

Exactly. No one cares about the ISTJ females! I have nothing to contribute to those threads.

I love you girls.

All this talk about Cleo's thread piqued my interest.

@Cleo I noticed that you wrote the original post with a load of feelings. One thing I have noticed with feelers is that when you talk in feelings and are being one- sided, they become polarized. They either completely agree with you or begin to hate you.

I only skimmed through first two pages, but the main point that jumped out to me for the cause of all the hate was your wording. Your sentiment was good, but the way you expressed it was a bit off. You probably didn't deserve the negative hate you got from some posters, but the reason for it was that you didn't word your original post properly. Your post was a bit polarized and your wording was harsh.

There are times, I have noticed when we know what we are saying is right, but the way we end up expressing it, makes us seem wrong in others eyes. Sometimes, we just need to know how to express ourselves such that it doesn't offend others. You as an INFJ, probably don't get this problem often. But we as thinkers, find ourselves facing this predicament often- that our wording manages to offend some while we know what we speak is the truth. Most of us (thinkers) learn/ try to censor our language expression in order to minimise this hate. You as a feeler, are probably new to this problem of being careful with your expression.

That is so true. Well, when I wrote that I was very tired and then just got off the phone with my mother. I honestly don't think badly of INFPs, but I didn't realize until I reread it later that the flow of what I wrote skipped bits and peices of what was on my mind, so it could have come across like I didn't like them. I still don't even see that it was that big of a deal and I clarified what I meant later. After you all came to my rescue, I thought it was a little funny too.

I have often noticed that I can come across as harsh. I read that INFJs are introverted feelers and extroverted thinkers, plus being a judger I am direct, so sometimes I have to put effort in to softening what I say, depending on who I am around. Thanks. :)

[hello317]

I read that INFJs are introverted feelers and extroverted thinkers, plus being a judger I am direct, so sometimes I have to put effort in to softening what I say, depending on who I am around. Thanks. :)

Just to let you know.

INFJ :
Auxiliary: Extraverted feeling (Fe)
Tertiary: Introverted thinking (Ti)

[Cleo]

Just to let you know.

INFJ :
Auxiliary: Extraverted feeling (Fe)
Tertiary: Introverted thinking (Ti)

Well darn it, I don't know whats wrong with me. There went my excuse.

[CorgiGirl]

If this offends anyone, I am sincerely sorry. But I gotta vent this.

I, for the life of me, do not get the point of getting drunk without any added benefit. Drinking games, fun. Going out with friends and drinking sometimes, fun (though I'm not seeing the point of doing it every weekend, somehow if your only idea of relaxing is completely polluting your senses, there's something wrong). Drinking when the forced situation is going to be boring/dreadful no matter what (like a dance at a convention), understandable. The following are cases of drinking where I start to doubt one's intelligence

-Drinking an amount large enough to get your drunk when your only plan that evening is to sit around and socialize.
-Buying alcohol for the pure reason that it will get you drunk fast. Taste is sacrificed if you can get drunk quicker!
-I'm not saying that this is a bad thing because most likely somebody on here does this, but I have to admit that I will never understand the point of pre-gaming except when your pre-gaming for a dreadful event/an event where you won't be able to drink at.

I was raised a German Lutheran, we enjoy our alcohol. But we actually enjoy it, we don't buy disgusting stuff and drink it as fast as possible. So I may be a little bias. But yeah, I guess I'm kind of annoyed because I came home and a group of people in my living room are just sitting around and drinking. That's the whole plan of the evening, to sit around and get drunk. Maybe I'm just getting tired of empty cans of beer and four loko sitting around the kitchen. Maybe I think that if you're getting drunk two weekends in a row, I'm starting to wonder if you have any other forms of fun. I don't really know why I'm annoyed.

[petals of stone]

@Cleo Can I also suggest that don't write posts/ threads when you are clearly very upset/ angry and are going to be using language that might come off as offensive. And if you do, then clarify by saying that you are venting, so people don't misinterpret you.

I skimmed through the whole thing, and I must say, your language was as much to blame as amanda's posts were hilariously stupid.

[Stephen]

Brace yourselves, here it comes.

I am pretty fucking pissed off right now. I just discovered something here on PerC that represents a staggering hypocrisy. I personally witnessed something happen recently that I probably should have intervened in, something that felt inappropriate at the time, and now I see something parallel to that has happened, and those involved in the earlier event that I stood by and watched have taken the opposite position. The hypocrisy, and my own failure to intervene in the earlier event, have my adrenaline cranking. I feel an inner conflict between my drive to expose this bullshit and my desire for peace, considering how many more problems I would cause than solve. I have a birthday party I organized for my six year old in thirty minutes, and I somehow need to get my shit under control before this thing starts.

Time to go lose myself in this as a task.

[General Lee]

Brace yourselves, here it comes.

I am pretty fucking pissed off right now. I just discovered something here on PerC that represents a staggering hypocrisy. I personally witnessed something happen recently that I probably should have intervened in, something that felt inappropriate at the time, and now I see something parallel to that has happened, and those involved in the earlier event that I stood by and watched have taken the opposite position. The hypocrisy, and my own failure to intervene in the earlier event, have my adrenaline cranking. I feel an inner conflict between my drive to expose this bullshit and my desire for peace, considering how many more problems I would cause than solve. I have a birthday party I organized for my six year old in thirty minutes, and I somehow need to get my shit under control before this thing starts.

Time to go lose myself in this as a task.

What happened?