[turnerle10]

I've been going through a bit of a rough patch... for about 3 years now. (I know... it's a BIG patch...) Anyway, my dad came to me this morning and gave me his "I just want you to know that everything is going to be ok" speech. Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate it. But I find myself believing him less and less as time passes. This led me to think about faith. Faith in God, the universe, humanity... pick your poison. I've always envied people who can just trust that everything is going to be ok. And there's still a part of me that hopes that this patch will lead to something better... that I'll learn something other than life really sucks sometimes. But what do other ISTJ's think? Am I just nuts, spending too much time in the self-pity pool?
So, I guess I'm just wanting to know what others think about faith...

[Darkfiremat]

i dont believe in it may it be god or anything else thing happen due to a serie of related event there no such thing as faith beside i think people who belive in any crap that are told to them are (sorry if u belive in anything) kinda dumb and your not nuts your just not sure and since you probably know people who belive in faith and such you tought about it as an alternative "solution"


ps . sorry if im asking but what the patch make it easier to answer

ps2 . if you dont wanna tell it ok

[Frannyy]

how do I feel about faith??- I find it to be politically incorrect and thus abstain from discussing it publicly.

[Marcus2x2]

Faith in God is fundamental to my life, I could not imagine my life without it. Genuine faith (in God & Jesus Christ) is if you like, a conduit, by which truth in all its splendor and austerity can be beheld. It is a remarkable thing to have in ones life. It does bring clarity and definition to the beholder, it soars far above the mere limitations of being nothing more than a coping mechanism in a chaotic and increasingly despondent and selfish world. It adds another dimension to life, by which so much can be discerned and knowledge can be gained, along with the wisdom to realise that while we can never know and grasp all things, there is so much that can be grasped now that we regretfully are content in being ignorant regarding its form, nature and depth.

[Darkfiremat]

seriouslly i feel like i heard somone say 1+1 = 5

how can you believe in something you never seen and that has absolutely no proof of existing

[Marcus2x2]

Merely because I have not seen something does not provide sufficient grounds to refute it's existence. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. There is no proof to suggest God does not exist. I believe that truth in its most manifest form, goes beyond the limitations of human reasoning and science (no doubt they are of value and have their place). It is an assumption that truth in all its complexities is attainable by human beings, by their own abilities.

[Darkfiremat]

ok then i guess L Ron Hubbard was right let fear Xenu XD since we have no proof refuting it existence that right hey when i think about ill go have a chat with Santa

[Marcus2x2]

I don't want to have an argument, however, if you wish to bathe in the fetid waters of your own ignorance, that is entirely your concern...

[Darkfiremat]

lol and here you go calling me a dick because i compared something

you told me that it not because we have no proof of something existing that it cant possibly exist

god reference = bible

xenu reference = L ron hubbard book or bible of scientology

[Marcus2x2]

Speculating on going to see Santa I hardly would describe as a sincere comparison. And comparing also with Scientology, loathed by many people; it's adherents following the teachings of a science fiction author, is presumably about how you have an aversion to faith, choosing deliberately ludicrous subjects with which to seemingly discredit faith. Faith doesn't mean absence of rationality, you might find evidence of that if you read up on naturalistic theism.