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This is a discussion on ISTJs: How Do You View ESTJs? within the ISTJ Forum - The Duty Fulfillers forums, part of the SJ's Temperament Forum- The Overseers category; ISTJs, I want to know how do you see ESTJs. How many ESTJs do you know? What do you think ...

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    ESTJ - The Guardians

    ISTJs: How Do You View ESTJs?

    ISTJs, I want to know how do you see ESTJs.

    How many ESTJs do you know? What do you think of them? Do you get along well with them? Do they like you?

    What is your overview about ESTJ? Can you understand the way ESTJs think? Can you relate with them?





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    ESTP - The Doers

    I don't know any other ESTJ's.

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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    I don't know any ESTJs.

    But I can tell you how I would see them. The more bossy, confrontational version of an ISTJ perhaps? People who aren't afraid to say what they think, and aren't afraid to take charge. This sounds like a sterotypical statement but am I correct?

    Sometimes I wish I was more like an ESTJ :|
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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    Quote Originally Posted by WickedQueen View Post
    ISTJs, I want to know how do you see ESTJs.

    How many ESTJs do you know? What do you think of them? Do you get along well with them? Do they like you?

    What is your overview about ESTJ? Can you understand the way ESTJs think? Can you relate with them?





    I know four ESTJs. One is my cousin who I live with and we get along great. We have roomed together for eight months now and have never fought. One is a friend who I have known for about ten years now. One is my Aunt, she is probably the most detail orientated person I know. The last is my grandma.

    What do I think of them? I think at times they can be very bossy and need to be put in their place, and also live in a very "me" orientated world. That is to say, everything should be convenient for them. On the other hand, I like how they will put in effort to make things work. Especially my cousin, if something needs done, she will make sure it is done and done right. Also, I like how they are willing to lead.

    Do I get along with them. The ones I know I get along with very, very well. I think has to do with the fact that they are quite pushy, while I am very docile. I have never had a real problem with any of them. I think they make for very loyal friends which is a quality I also display and admire. If I am in a predicament, I know I could count on them for support (maybe not emotionally though :P). I think I would get along with them even better though if they were to think before they speak. :)

    Do they like me. If they don't they are very good at hiding it. I have never been in any sort of fight or argument with any of them. My cousin says I am her best friend and constantly asks if I am upset with her so she can right any wrong. My friend and I have never bickered or anything like that (although, being as he is very extroverted there is a limit to him I can take...). My aunt has always told me I am a great kid and headed to great places, and somehow I ended up on the very top of my grandma's list of favorite grandchildren (why I don't know but my aunts and uncle have never been thrilled about that).

    Overview. That would be about the same as "what do you think of them".

    Can I understand the way they think. Well being as I have been living with my cousin I have come to understand they way they think much more clearly. She is very detail orientated (again, like myself) and always thinks good things should happen to her. She is also not very patient and thinks putting in the effort now should yield results now. I also don't think they are willing to accept a 'no' to easily. You tell that to my cousin and she will combat it with everything she has. It is like the way they think is very one track. They get stuck on something and that is it, they will have it or complete what they set out to do. Sometimes, I want to step in show them the best way to go about it, even if that is letting go of what they want, but they seem to now want to listen.

    Can I relate to them. In some ways yes and in others no. As far as I can see, we are both detail orientated, we both like to set and achieve goals, and are very loyal. Where I don't relate to them is in their resolve to achieve their goals is always unwavering, where when I see that something is lost I no longer pursue it. Also, they are very much more vocal than I am. I also consider other people to some degree when making a decision, where as all the ESTJs I know do not.
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    I adore them.....they are among my favorite people.....
    just sayin'
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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    Check me if I'm right: ESTJs like to get the group to accomplish something by getting the facts, organizing them, and making a decision. I would like to learn more about ESTJs and you WickedQueen don't seem a bit shy! Seems to me there's a lot in common between the ESTJs & ISTJs.

    Let me suggest a difference. As an ISTJ, I'm quite content to get the facts, think things through, and decide on my own. I don't need to lead. I don't need a group. In fact, I'm often leaning against the group.

    I think the "E"s of the world take the "I"s lack of apparent desire for interaction as a sign of passiveness and weakness. Mistake. So, I'm I close?
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    ESTJ - The Guardians

    Quote Originally Posted by Graeb1 View Post
    Check me if I'm right: ESTJs like to get the group to accomplish something by getting the facts, organizing them, and making a decision. I would like to learn more about ESTJs and you WickedQueen don't seem a bit shy! Seems to me there's a lot in common between the ESTJs & ISTJs.

    Let me suggest a difference. As an ISTJ, I'm quite content to get the facts, think things through, and decide on my own. I don't need to lead. I don't need a group. In fact, I'm often leaning against the group.

    I think the "E"s of the world take the "I"s lack of apparent desire for interaction as a sign of passiveness and weakness. Mistake. So, I'm I close?
    Yeah, I'm not shy at all, but I won't talk much if there's nothing worth it to talk about. I don't do small talk and usually prefer to go straight to the point. IRL, I'm a very polite & decent person, so sometimes people who don't know me at all will think I'm shy.

    I do like to accomplish things, because I don't like to waste my time for nothing. I see time as valuable thing, so it must be used wisely, efficiently, and effectively.

    I don't have the need to lead. In some cases, I feel that I'm "forced" to lead because my friends or colleagues have lack of initiative to change or make necessary changes. I can see what will happen in the future if the situation remain the same, so I have to take some initiatives and make decisions. Perhaps people see that as me wanting to dominate and lead them.

    Personally, I don't see I's lack of apparent desire for interaction as a sign of passiveness and weakness. I see that as careless about humanity and sometimes, selfish behaviour. Not that I disagree, though. I'm actually quite interested with introverts. My exes are all introverts.



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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    Thanks. Yes, you put it better vis a vis the leadership. I think it's a fundamental difference between S's & N's. S's are OBJECTIVE, N's are SUBJECTIVE. You (and I) see something (the object) that needs to be done and go about doing it. The N's view things from how they (the subject) think something should be and go about trying to create change to so that their image becomes reality.

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    ESTJ - The Guardians

    Interesting perspective. Although the word "objective" and "subjective" in MBTI usually used to describe the differences between T and F, I understand your point and I agree. I would say S lives in the world of reality (past and present), and N lives in the world of concept (present and future).


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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    I would be interested to know if you are familiar with Carl Jung?


     
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