[MilkyWay132]

Am I the only one who doesn't like how MBTI descriptions talk more in terms of values/ideals in the INFP description than the ISFP one? Yes, Ne does look for new possibilities, but Se is not *too* different---rather than searching for possibilities, it searches for opportunities of action.



The descriptions are good at describing Fi/Ne, but not so good at describing Fi/Se. And remember, ISFPs are dominated by Fi. I at least noticed one ISFP description which mentioned the dom Fi(the personalitypage one). In the other descriptions, not so much. Fi is an important part of an ISFP, so how come it's not mentioned more often?

[Kito]

Because some people tend to forget about us in favour of INFPs. They're more... well-known in the typology world, shall we say. When most people hear Fi-dom, they think INFP.

[MilkyWay132]

Yeah...it's a shame. :(

[Nayru]

I think that the equation Fi = ideals is simply not true.

Fi is about beliefs and judgments from personal feeling. Ideals fall under Fi, but resentments, hateful feelings, resentments and feelings of anger ALSO come from Fi. Fi isn't this "super duper ideal, high value thing", it's also the Darker stuff if you know what I mean.

Sure I make decision that come from values and ideals, but a LOT of my judgments also come from shitty feelings I have toward things and people, and myself, that aren't so shiny and sparkly.

[tine]

I think that the equation Fi = ideals is simply not true.

Fi is about beliefs and judgments from personal feeling. Ideals fall under Fi, but resentments, hateful feelings, resentments and feelings of anger ALSO come from Fi. Fi isn't this "super duper ideal, high value thing", it's also the Darker stuff if you know what I mean.

Sure I make decision that come from values and ideals, but a LOT of my judgments also come from shitty feelings I have toward things and people, and myself, that aren't so shiny and sparkly.

Yeah, definitely.
There's always two sides, you can't have a pure/perfect function or part of yourself if there's no negative.
I found alot of my selfishness comes from Fi 'ideals' because it's how I see the world, and doesn't consider other's view in that. Luckily I have fairly balanced functions in many ways so I also have high empathy.
Fi = two edged sword.

[m_dogg]

I'm tired of people describing ISFP's as incapable of understanding or thinking in metaphor, and rather, that we are prisoners of our 5 senses. I am very metaphorical and conceptual, and my Intuitive side is very developed, I am just more dominant in Sensory. And to me, the visual, physical, sensual beauties of life are incredibly poetic in themselves.

And plus, I have met many xNFx who are total foodies, will not sit through an "intellectual" film if there is not enough action going on, and have an incredible joy for physical luxury (wine, massages, color, textiles). And quite a few of them couldn't write even a Haiku to save their lives. So phooey, let me write my prose and read my James Joyce in peace, (and do so while I savor a delicious latte stirred with Nutella and dipped into with a salty peanut crunch pretzel, mmmm... pretzel), thankyouverymuch!

Just because something is dominant, doesn't mean it is the entire.

[Smiling Aria]

I definitely agree with the 2 edge sword thing regarding Fi. I'm much more used to INFPs, and I noticed that many of them either present themselves (via avatar, music interests, color, books, etc) in a dark and creepy way or a cute and blissful way. I think INFP and ISFP are the same in that regard, and most ways for that matter.
I would assume it was my Fi that led me to be very sadomasochistic before. I'm no longer that way due to higher self respect o.o

[MilkyWay132]

Yeah..I didn't really discuss the dark side of Fi. It's not very pretty. And I agree that with Fi, it can be a bit selfish because you're only seeing your own point of view. It's about how you ideally want the world to be, and how much you personally value things. I know it can make me slightly bull-headed at times.

Fe is based on sympathy whereas Fi is more based on empathy. Fe users will feel sorry for a person, but Fi users will relate to that person. Fe will think "What Johnny went through must of been very stressful. Poor guy.." whereas Fi will go "I know how Johnny feels; I've been through that kind of situation before, and it sucked."

[KeroKai]

There's something that has always bothered me about my "ISFP" and Fi.

Most of the time, Fi is about having strong values and beliefs. In the positive light, this could be viewed as knowing what is important. In the negative light, it can come sometimes across as stubborn and judgemental.

Yet while there are issues that my ISFP feels really strongly about. For most stuff, she'll have no real opinion on the matter. In addition, she's not really keen on questions such as "What do you value? Who are you?" etc... Granted, she's enneagram 9.

What gives? Or am I misunderstanding ISFPs/Fi/Enneagram 9s?

[MilkyWay132]

Hmm..I'm not sure if her Enneagram type has anything to do with it. Maybe she is still be trying to discover who she really is and isn't completely sure of her beliefs yet. Why do you think she is a ISFP?