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This is a discussion on Introverted Feeling, how do you define it? within the ISFP Forum - The Artists forums, part of the SP's Temperament Forum- The Creators category; In my "how do you define it?" thread collection, I ask you ISFPs your own definition of introverted feeling. And ...
In my "how do you define it?" thread collection, I ask you ISFPs your own definition of introverted feeling. And if you know a little bit more, can you please set up some key differences between Fi and Fe?
This came after a thread of Fi vs. Fe in the ENFJ forum.
You don't need to be an expert of cognitive functions to explain, it's your own appreciation to see a common ground and define Fi. So feel free to explain what you have on your head!
Huh, Ok I started to feel bad... so you guilted me into posting...Originally Posted by jdmn
Im not really all that intelligent when it comes to cognitive functions, but heres how I see us Fi dominants. Although I dont think this to be true of all ISFPs, in my case, although I can be very emotional and sensitive, I find it very difficult to express these emotions. I do not like to talk about feelings with others, and I never really say how I feel about certain situations. This of course lead people to think that I dont really have much depth. I seem kinda like that guy who is kinda strange and doesnt really talk about anything important. Because our feelings and feelings about stuff (like politics, rules, the environment etc.) is introverted we have an internal value system that we basically go by. In other words we dislike things not because others dislike them but because we believe them to be wrong and vice versa. Because of this we are not very subject to conformity. I suppose a quick example of our value system can be seen here.
Fe I believe is seemingly the opposite. Easily can talk about feelings, and does things based on the environment i.e. conformity.
Please correct me if Im wrong...
^ what he said.
Also check out what I said here.
lol I really liked how I phrased it XD
my creative side going to work...
Mmm, well. Fe doms aren't necesarily loud in their emotions. They don't necessarily talk about their feelings, they may be have their mouth quite shut sometimes or even appear cold, or in a more exact word... neutral. I'm like this and I see Fe doms who aren't that expressive of their feelings. But we are talkative a lot, and somewhat sensitive due to our harmony oriented decision making.
And yes, Fe is like Fi but with an outward focus. The desire for harmony of feelers now bases to the external objects and people, everything they do, say and everything that happens matters to the Fe dom. They will want to have clear understanding of the role a person have, how it affects others and its environment.
We want to understand how everything is connected and we make our decisions based on a reunion of all of that, so we keep a harmonious place, and following our desires. Note that it doesn't mean total submission or just "going with the flow". It means an active participation where the Fe dom moves and makes others act and behave in the ways that are appreciated to us and the people present. If that means conflict, then we can be able to do so.
Fi, as far as I collected information, is based on an internal set of standards, thoughts and expectatives towards themselves and others, so you build up your own system for dealing and understanding the world. Whatever you choose to believe can make you extremely different people, from total belligerance to understanding and compassion, whatever you think it is worth living for and to judge others on that. But it's not ONLY about values, am I right?
Ok so in a nutshell Fe is about keeping external harmony. (and of course Im not saying your type is like some conformist who cant make their own decisions. We all have those inferior functions that kick in too and I guess Fe doesnt necessarily mean conformity. Plus its the ESFJs that Im not so fond of when it comes to this. They are the ones with Fe and Si... lol tradition and conformity XD jk)
Fi and Fe kinda work together to keep the other from screwing up... or thats how I see it anyways...
As for not being only about values... I have no idea XD
I feel like there may be a little more to both than whats above...
I agree with a lot of what has been said, but I'd like to mention that I can't just produce my values if someone asks what they are. I have to be in the moment and experience something before I know how I'm going to react to it or feel about it. That may be partly Se, but I'm not sure.
Fi is something that has governed my whole life. Sometimes even if I really want to like a certain person or activity (for whatever reason, maybe because it's something society deems I "should" like, or someone who truly needs help), I just can't because they go against my values. I might be able to appreciate certain aspects of them in this instance, but I have trouble accepting them as a whole.
Although Fi is an introverted function, I have been known to stand up for my beliefs on rare occasion. It can happen if someone really crosses the line or offends something close to the core of my being. Really, I should try to do it more often but it takes a lot out of me and I feel quite rattled after. I may appear to be neutral on many issues, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
This exactly. I couldn't have said it any better myself especially the last paragraph.
I get in trouble from the two people who understand how upset I get when I don't defend or assert my beliefs or wants. To everyone else they see it as me being nice and not having any preference over the matter when in fact I do. It sounds stupid but to put it simply, I let other people have their way because I don't want people to get mad at me.
It's a lot easier to please everyone else than have to deal with the possibility of a conflict situation.
Hmm... you asked this and after pondering it a while I suppose its not.
Im not one to brag, but ISFPs are typically known to be very kind. I think we are very well known as the animal and nature lovers. XD In a way we are the "nice guys" (who never get girlfriends/boyfriends.) I think I even remember once reading that we were possibly the nicest of all types (of course take that with a grain of salt... I dont think we are always all that accepting of some people.) We genuinely care about other people and dont like to be hurt or see other people hurt. We dont like to be controlled or have any need to control others. For the most part we just like to be, and make other people, happy. :)
I mean, of course we do have our faults, but at our best Id like to think the above describes us... (I hope so...)
Is this what you meant??
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