There's no INTP without Ti and no Ti without knowledge/intelligence.

[Tlatoani]

Introverted Thinking

Analyzing; categorizing; evaluating according to principles and whether something fits the framework or model; figuring out the principles on which something works; checking for inconsistencies; clarifying definitions to get more precision.

As I see it Ti is a filter for the information we receive, Ti takes the idea or information and analyzes it with skepticism comparing it with what we already know is truth so that we see if the new information fits the framework or not, it also analyzes it with pure logic, finding if the new idea/information contradicts itself or contradicts another axiom of logic.

But when a self proclaimed INTP is too stupid(lacking the intelligence to apply logic) or too ignorant (not having the means to compare the new information with previous known knowledge) to analyze something properly, then it's as if he didn't have Ti in the first place.

He may receive the information and accept it without doubting it for a second eliminating the purpose of Ti as a filter.

Then it doesn't matter if someone has the tendency to analyze everything, if there's no intelligence and knowledge, Ti doesn't work.

That's why Intelligence and Knowledge is a requirement for INTPs and no INTP can exist without it.

[Psilo]

Unhealthy or poorly used Ti is still Ti. Ti desires to have a consistant internal understanding of the world. However, if the INTP fails to gather good information, the model is less likely to be an accurate representation of reality. It does not mean they did not use the Ti function, however.

"He may receive information and accept it..."
Ti is a skeptic function by definition, so this point holds somewhat. I just think it's worth mentioning that dominant function just implies the most used, not necesarily high ability.

Also, define intelligence and knowlege as you use it in your OP.
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[Azrael]

This topic makes no sense.

[Grim]

Originally Posted by Azrael

This topic makes no sense.

Occasionally you'll find some INTPs that are wrapped up in how smart they think they are. It usually follows a pretty set pattern.

"Everyone should realize how dumb they are." With just a hint of: (of course, that doesn't apply to me.)

or

"It's impossible to be an INTP and not be smarter than everyone else."


It's along the same lines of ENTJ/ENTPs that are convinced you can't be ENTJ/ENTP without being more awesome than everyone else. Or ESTJs that are totally certain they're right about everything, and their way is the best way to do all things, etc. Or INFJs/INFPs that are convinced they're the only ones on the planet completely devoid of human failings, and so on and so forth.

[Tlatoani]

Originally Posted by Grim

Occasionally you'll find some INTPs that are wrapped up in how smart they think they are. It usually follows a pretty set pattern.

"Everyone should realize how dumb they are." With just a hint of: (of course, that doesn't apply to me.)

or

"It's impossible to be an INTP and not be smarter than everyone else."


It's along the same lines of ENTJ/ENTPs that are convinced you can't be ENTJ/ENTP without being more awesome than everyone else. Or ESTJs that are totally certain they're right about everything, and their way is the best way to do all things, etc. Or INFJs/INFPs that are convinced they're the only ones on the planet completely devoid of human failings, and so on and so forth.

And here I went by actually giving some arguments and some insight about what Ti stands for and what can be deduced from that, without any arrogance or any cheap self-praise from my part, but people will always go with the people that gained their sympathies by playing the populism card and use obvious misunderstandings such as this: "It's impossible to be an INTP and not be smarter than everyone else.", as proof that the purpose of my thread is to demonstrate how intelligent INTPs are and how stupid the rest are. Sad you don't even have to engage in a serious debate to win the people over here, and here I thought I was in the INTP forum (even if I said we were super awesome, INTPs still disagree about it?!? jeez! that's not even sad).

It's so obvious the disinterest and the ignorance people have about the MBTI theory in general that it compels me sometimes to not write anything about it, it seems people prefer threads like "INTPs and obesity, INTPs and dreams, INTPs and some unrelated to MBTI theory bullshit" way more than actually debating the very precise thing that put us together in this site.

[Femme]

Originally Posted by Tlatoani

And here I went by actually giving some arguments and some insight about what Ti stands for and what can be deduced from that, without any arrogance or any cheap self-praise from my part, but people will always go with the people that gained their sympathies by playing the populism card and use obvious misunderstandings such as this: "It's impossible to be an INTP and not be smarter than everyone else.", as proof that the purpose of my thread is to demonstrate how intelligent INTPs are and how stupid the rest are. Sad you don't even have to engage in a serious debate to win the people over here, and here I thought I was in the INTP forum (even if I said we were super awesome, INTPs still disagree about it?!? jeez! that's not even sad).

It's so obvious the disinterest and the ignorance people have about the MBTI theory in general that it compels me sometimes to not write anything about it, it seems people prefer threads like "INTPs and obesity, INTPs and dreams, INTPs and some unrelated to MBTI theory bullshit" way more than actually debating the very precise thing that put us together in this site.

Why do you post here if you are dissatisfied with the discussions?

[TurranMC]

Originally Posted by Femme

Why do you post here if you are dissatisfied with the discussions?

Hope that he will one day be satisfied?

[Ventricity]

Originally Posted by Tlatoani

And here I went by actually giving some arguments and some insight about what Ti stands for and what can be deduced from that, without any arrogance or any cheap self-praise from my part, but people will always go with the people that gained their sympathies by playing the populism card and use obvious misunderstandings such as this: "It's impossible to be an INTP and not be smarter than everyone else.", as proof that the purpose of my thread is to demonstrate how intelligent INTPs are and how stupid the rest are. Sad you don't even have to engage in a serious debate to win the people over here, and here I thought I was in the INTP forum (even if I said we were super awesome, INTPs still disagree about it?!? jeez! that's not even sad).

It's so obvious the disinterest and the ignorance people have about the MBTI theory in general that it compels me sometimes to not write anything about it, it seems people prefer threads like "INTPs and obesity, INTPs and dreams, INTPs and some unrelated to MBTI theory bullshit" way more than actually debating the very precise thing that put us together in this site.

actually, it is you who come off as the one who fails to deal with critizism. which i think is entirely fair given the personality bias you display in your first post.
continuing what was previously said, i'm curious to what is a "poorly used ti". it's our most dominant function and pretty unavoidable to not being used.
it's our Ne that we use to get information that regulates if our ti is being used poorly in that case. in other words; an intp who spends his time playing video games wouldn't have as developed ti as one who gets out once in a while. highly developed logic (as in iq) is another matter (high iq isn't a prerequisite for having a developed ti).

[mrmatt]

i think this is kind of a

"anyone that i think is less intelligent than me shouldnt be classified as an INTP because somehow by association some idiot could assume im just like them"

which seems to point of feelings on inferiority possibly?

[Jorge]

Originally Posted by mrmatt

i think this is kind of a

"anyone that i think is less intelligent than me shouldnt be classified as an INTP because somehow by association some idiot could assume im just like them"

which seems to point of feelings on inferiority possibly?

Hehe happened to me the first time I met another INTP in person. I tested a friend of mine who tends to do and say a LOT of idiotic things. He's gotten himself into trouble for the stupidest things, which weren't even funny or smart. He tends to think that just because he's an engineering student, he is smarter than a lot of people, when he is in fact failing the classes that other majors ace...

Nevertheless, he tested out as an INTP, and I was really in shock to see that I was "related" in some way to this guy. He's a good friend... but I was just like "really?"

Then I figured out that really, INTPs do not, by nature, have a higher IQ or are more intelligent than other types. The smartest girl (IQ-wise) I've met is an ENFP, and I've tutored a BUNCH of T (INTPs, INTJs, ENTPs, ISTPs... you name it) in a lot of subjects, whereas I've never studied with some Fs.

In no way am I saying this to show smart I am, but I am doing it to say that a lot of Ts, whether Ti or Te, can be reaaaaally stupid. I have actually needed tutoring every once in a while (nothing major though... just a quick answer for something I wasnt figuring it out by myself =). I'm just using those examples as past experiences.