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This is a discussion on Do you want to live forever? within the INTP Forum - The Thinkers forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; I'd rather not live forever. Sure, I could experience lots, but the world would get boring. The world seems to ...

  1. #11
    INTP - The Thinkers

    I'd rather not live forever. Sure, I could experience lots, but the world would get boring. The world seems to keep getting worse, too. Besides, living forever would mean you miss out on the experience of death, which may or may not lead to nothing.

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  2. #12
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by Zygomorphic View Post
    I would not want to live forever, but I think I would like to live longer than humans are capable of (~250 years sounds appealing).
    get out of my head! before scrolling to your post i was thinking definitely not forever, but around 300 years might be the ideal human lifespan.

    and i love the consensus that, given infinity, we'd just use the opportunity for eternal procrastination. got to love our cynicism.

    i would want to learn infinitely, but i doubt i could deal with observing the same parabolic rises and falls in human history [not infinitely, but as long as it took humanity to go kaput]. plus i have my own history of uneasiness with the word and concept of infinity. no like. D:

    propensity, i definitely share that fear of meaninglessness. in my case, it exceeds my fear of death itself. i think both are the ultimate human fears. just grappling with the absurdity of it all. the strangeness of existence, of being this consciousness inside some matter that moves around inside some other matter that moves around. frankly the whole idea of having/being a consciousness at all as opposed to being a rock is enough to freak me out. i make art too, and i often find the "immortality"-through-creation problem equally comfortless when plotted into a wide enough panorama of time. i do think it's still completely worth creating though, when you consider that modern society is still being influenced by thinkers from 3,000 years ago. that's worth something, right? i guess the only real consolation i've found that i can share is 1) we're all in the same holey boat (not exactly consolation, but true at least) and 2) find a way to embrace small things and "the present," whatever that is and however it's manifest. as INTPs we tend to think in terms of the universal, but it can be to our benefit sometimes to focus instead on the smaller things that connect to the universal (or, for nihilists, the smaller things that connect to nothing at all but are nonetheless shiny and pretty to look at) and enjoy them intensely and for as long as possible. for now, create, learn, experience, do what makes you happy and fuck what anybody else says.

    that's my horrible drunken soliloquy for the day.

    in the interim, just focus on eating your fish (i can't take credit for this. someone awesomely posted it in the WTF? thread):

    Last edited by polaroid sea; 05-19-2010 at 01:21 AM.
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  3. #13
    Unknown Personality

    Does anyone consider that maybe this life is energeticly eternal. I do.
    On a universal scale, if the universe is infinite..... nothing can leave.
    Death used to scare me, however the greatest thing to have ever happen is that I was born into this world. The second most important will be passing.The great mystery will be revealed. Or not.
    Maybe we are integrated with all that is, ever was, and will be, if infinity is the truth we may be eternal on an energetic scale, maybe not consciously, maybe both. What we do on an earthly level may be part of one big beautiful process. Death part thereof
    This is an interesting place with many facets, not all good, not all bad.
    definately perect in infinity
    Dying slowly or painfully scares me.
    Last edited by noosabar; 05-19-2010 at 03:13 AM. Reason: To fix my grammar which is probably still bad, I can't see it though
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  4. #14
    INTP - The Thinkers


    We do. Our bodies don't though.

  5. #15
    INTP - The Thinkers

    I think I would like to live for a few centuries, if not millennia, but I don't think we will ever increase our lifespan much past 200 years to be honest. Of course, it would depend on how healthy and full those years were - a great quote by a famous possible INTP, Abraham Lincoln says "And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years".

    I've done the ancestry and health tests for 23andMe, and have higher than typical odds of reaching 100, but only typical odds of living to 95, and life expectancy tests that I've done (there are some slightly scientific ones online) usually give me an expectancy of around 85, and I could improve my health a lot. According to 23andMe, I just have to watch out for Type 2 diabetes and colorectal cancer as the main genetic risks to my health and life.

    As for humanity as a whole, I think over the next century we will see medical science progress quite quickly, and babies born in the early years of the 21st century will probably have a good chance of living to 100. Currently, Jeanne Calment holds the record for oldest documented person ever at the age of 122, and I think that record will be broken in the next 50 years - most likely by an Okinawan woman born in the early years of the 20th century.

  6. #16
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by noosabar View Post
    Does anyone consider that maybe this life is energeticly eternal. I do.
    i do consider this. i think because, on some level, it's true. when you figure that the elementary particles that make us are these eternal blocks coming together in forms to create everything from people and giraffes and spatulas to planets and galaxies and nebulae, "finite" matter composed of infinite pieces, and then dissipating and again coming together in cosmic recyclings unlimited by the scope of the universe. we could all be reunited in betelgeuse as some glowing phosphorus or a pickle.

    i'm attracted to those areas where science and mystic thought converge, and i like your ideas on this. thanks for sharing them.
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  7. #17
    Unknown Personality

    If you want practical solution to this problem... Go into science, learn as much as you can, and research research research and find the key to immortality, if not immortality then something that would considerably lengthen your life. You have maybe 80 years? if you take care of yourself. But its possible, anything is.

    great thing about this is, you can't procrastinate cause if you do, you would've wasted your life looking for something that never came to fruition, but then again you might leave a legacy that is immortal in itself.
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  8. #18
    INTP - The Thinkers

    eternal procastination...i love it!! if i had eternal life i would just give up to impact the world, i'll just let other do it and see what happens. just thinking about it eases my mind so much! it would be like i could finally relax, sort of like sleeping late and not getting up and go to work.

    also, i'm pretty sure that sometime in the future it will be possible to sort of upload your brain into some machine, so that some parts of you live on. be it ideas or some biological structure if not conciousness.

  9. #19
    ISTP - The Mechanics

    Hell yes, though not because I care about nothing being left of me when I'm gone. I'd love to see how the world changes over time. How it's going to look and what people are going to be like in a few millenia. What new discoveries are going to be made. Plus, I rather like life and can't see myself ever getting tired of it (assuming I remain relatively healthy, anyway).

  10. #20
    INFP - The Idealists


    I wana be yoda


 
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