It's creative retardation on your part.

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Fine. I'll crack, but it's more a list of mild nuisances.

A great many INTPs are intellectual blowhards. They piss and moan about how difficult their lot in life is and refuse to do anything about it because it would get in the way of building castles in the sky and armchair theorizing. Plus, they're incapable of asking for help because they're so "independent" that it seldom, if ever, occurs to them as a possibility unless someone else (helpfully) points it out first.

Then we've got the kneejerk grammar/spelling nazism burned into our brains. It can't be helped, but it's still a pain in the ass.

We're damn fickle in our interests too.

 

wow. you're so right. Life sucks and then, you die.:sad:

 

INTPs are beautiful people. Impossible to find though. Except online.

 

i agree, well said.

 

Don't take this personally but...

haha. Not saying you guys are like this but I think it represents your "culture" Other than that, I can't find anything wrong. I wish I was INTP.

 

What do you mean, take this personally. This is one of the greatest compliments you can give an INTP!!!! :laughing::crazy::laughing:

 

in the world of chuck palahniuk : Give me rampant intelectualism as a means of coping.

 

I like how this thread basically got ignored roud:. I'm a bit disappointed because I wanted to see more of what people had to say, but on the other hand it made me smile because it's so characteristic of our type to get the "meh" reaction and slide into the background.

 

I think it was more of a timing issue. The forumites had already shifted their attentions reactionarily toward a veritable lovefest.

 

lmao! :laughing:

 

I'd be afraid to be honest here because I know my feelings are inappropriate. I'm trying to overcome the bias, not dwell on my reasons for it.

 

Go for it anyway.

It's more difficult to seek the best in ourselves if we can't objectively grasp what may be the worst.

 

Uh... okay, if you insist. I don't like how tactless they can be. I don't like how their desire not to be censored can make them cruel and emotionally dangerous. They care more about being free to act like jerks than about being sensitive to the needs of others. INTPs are tied with the ESTJs for the type that has caused me the most pain. We clash. Hard.

They tend to succumb easily to intellectual arrogance and are impossible to argue with because they are frequently dismissive and closed-minded, accepting only certain kinds of information as valid regardless of the nature of the topic. This wouldn't be quite so problematic if they didn't like to argue so much. It seems to be something they do for fun, just to practice getting their minds into every little crevice of an idea.

They are much too detail oriented, focusing on specifics when the general concept is actually more important, and will spend more time picking at and criticizing any imperfect details in an example or analogy than trying to understand the overall meaning of the broader expression. This leads to many arguments on linguistics that never get past the point of trying to define terms in a tedious, meticulous way, even if the original point being argued had nothing to do with how words are used and was supposed to be about something more interesting and important.

They are impossible to satisfy. No matter what a person does right, or how brilliant an idea is, there will always be criticism for not doing better or taking it to the next step. There is no way for an INFP to please an INTP in order to achieve a feeling of security in the social relationship. There will always be a nagging feeling that nothing will ever be good enough and that all efforts are completely wasted. This means that eventually I will give up trying to please an INTP, and instead of breaking myself to pieces struggling for approval, I eventually learn to just avoid the person. With an INTP, I never end up with a sufficient level of security to feel safe being open and intimate about ideas and feelings, so any conversation is pointless. I need to feel safe in order to talk about my more complex ideas, and if I know that something I find interesting enough to share or speculate about will be cut apart with a scalpel, I would rather keep it to myself. I always end up feeling guarded with INTPs, even the ones I like. I don't know if I will ever be able to trust one not to hurt me, even if they don't always do it on purpose.

 

They are impossible to satisfy. No matter what a person does right, or how brilliant an idea is, there will always be criticism for not doing better or taking it to the next step. There is no way for an INFP to please an INTP in order to achieve a feeling of security in the social relationship. There will always be a nagging feeling that nothing will ever be good enough and that all efforts are completely wasted. This means that eventually I will give up trying to please an INTP, and instead of breaking myself to pieces struggling for approval, I eventually learn to just avoid the person. With an INTP, I never end up with a sufficient level of security to feel safe being open and intimate about ideas and feelings, so any conversation is pointless. I need to feel safe in order to talk about my more complex ideas, and if I know that something I find interesting enough to share or speculate about will be cut apart with a scalpel, I would rather keep it to myself. I always end up feeling guarded with INTPs, even the ones I like. I don't know if I will ever be able to trust one not to hurt me, even if they don't always do it on purpose.

Thats how i sometimes feel with some ENTPs. But my T scored 47% and my F is 50% so its not really with all of them, and not in all my moods. but i can relate somehow. Just not with INTPs, i find INTPs amusing.

 

I get disappointed. I have this spontaneous feeling that I should be able to connect with the INTP. But I can't do it. It is impossible, I've tried. We are from different planets. :sad:

 

Really? Personally, being very creative growing up I always felt like I was an ISFP..still do.

Hmmm..I think, eventually it became apparent to me that my art (and moreso, the art of others) provoked great feelings, concepts and ideas and I revelled in the act of producing art and I knew great focus and satisfaction as I worked on them. Now, looking back , it seems that somewhere along the way as I pondered these abstract pieces of art, these concepts, in my minds eye I began to "intellectualize" them or tried to make them into logical universal truths that I could explain.

My point is I now apparently relate to INTP more although I still practice my crafts and relate to ISTP
I am struggling to settle on a "type" or "types". I think these overlapping and shifting nuances help us remain balanced.

Anyways, my 2 cents...cheers!

 

Well, we don't seem to be good around people we first meet. We are more shy and that is often perceived as being cold, arrogant, and unfriendly. We shy away from things when they become too emotional. We are also, as stated above, nazis concerning grammar and spelling. That's what bothers me about us anyway...

 

That's the size of it. I'm pretty emotionally shy. But those feeling types that confident and mature enough to emotionally lead the way, usually bring my feelings out. Maybe they are afraid I'll be disappointed cause they don't remember 8th grade algebra or something like that....I don't give a shit.

 

Thats how i sometimes feel with some ENTPs. But my T scored 47% and my F is 50% so its not really with all of them, and not in all my moods. but i can relate somehow. Just not with INTPs, i find INTPs amusing.

there are two worlds. one I, one E. you feel relative to ENTP as INFP do to INTPs.
No problem to me . i only seeth around infps, you too are like a random object i see flying around, you aren't influencing the region i feel i dwell in (I-region)

 

INTPs love to argue? I don't particularly mind conflict, but if I get into any sort of logical argument, I just panic and try to worm my way out of it. Maybe if I had more faith in my intellectual and debating skills...

 

I'm much the same way...until the topic is something I'm passionate about.

 

The only thing I don't like about INTPs is the fact that they always seem to confuse me.

 

Confuse you in what way?

 

It seems like there are two kinds of INTPs: those who are actually smart and rational, and those who only seem smart and rational because of the atrophy of their emotions. The first group I tend to enjoy; I find them graceful and elegant mentally and endearingly awkward socially. The second group irritates me because they are senseless and cruel, and all the while they think they are smarter than other people because they don't let emotions get in the way of what they want, although most of the time if you actually confront them on things they have no logical justification for their actions, they only pretend to.

 

LOL this. Y'all either can't tell the difference between your emotions and your thoughts, or you just intentionally try to hide all of your emotions with thoughts that often make no sense. An INFP can spot this out with ease. I have actually spotted an INTP trying to "logically" tell someone how they and others can have a handle on their internet usage because they thought internet addiction became part of the DSM V. Dude, we know you would be considered an internet addict and you're just feeling bad about it, and you look like an idiot/liar when you try to "logically" say you sometimes are on the computer for five hours straight because "the dungeons take that long," but it's controllable! Why not just make an argument for why it shouldn't be a part of the DSM...

You guys are incredibly annoying in that you seem to think you are some sort of superhuman, but will say "of course I don't think that" or pretend like it's a good thing. You seem to think you are beyond and above basic human experiences when really you're just out of touch and in deep seated denial. Somehow you think you're above hate, yet you experience the feelings of love? Every human being experiences hate, and I don't care much to debate with you over "how hate is different from dislike" when it is rather arbitrary. Many of you have been brainwashed by society's morals without even realizing it, and then come up with lame logical reasons to support them. Not logical, and not smart. You just come across as cold and stupid.

Plus, you're just dull. You sit back and expect everyone to entertain you, giving us not much in return, and blame us when we leave because you never let us know you.

You want emotional validation, good feels, and compliments (of course, who doesn't), but you are not interested in learning how to give it, borderline refuse to, and still somehow manage to view yourselves as selfless.

You try to tell people how they feel when you possess the emotional intelligence of a brick despite having many emotions yourselves.

 

Yes, exactly! I think "smart" people in general can actually be divided into those groups, not just INTPs. I was just thinking about that the other day and wondering which kind I actually was.

 

Did you ever read The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis?

 

No, I haven't. Was he talking about that?

 

ridicules question, ridicules preposition .... foolishness times ten thousand. take away my hand while yours are as $$ as ever

 

They are impossible to satisfy. No matter what a person does right, or how brilliant an idea is, there will always be criticism for not doing better or taking it to the next step. There is no way for an INFP to please an INTP in order to achieve a feeling of security in the social relationship. There will always be a nagging feeling that nothing will ever be good enough and that all efforts are completely wasted. This means that eventually I will give up trying to please an INTP, and instead of breaking myself to pieces struggling for approval, I eventually learn to just avoid the person. With an INTP, I never end up with a sufficient level of security to feel safe being open and intimate about ideas and feelings, so any conversation is pointless. I need to feel safe in order to talk about my more complex ideas, and if I know that something I find interesting enough to share or speculate about will be cut apart with a scalpel, I would rather keep it to myself. I always end up feeling guarded with INTPs, even the ones I like. I don't know if I will ever be able to trust one not to hurt me, even if they don't always do it on purpose.

You know, this makes all kinds of sense. I have been on the other side of it (as an INTP), and I promise you, it is intensely painful to me to feel that I can't trust my partner to take the ideas I've shared to the next level, or dissect them with a scalpel. Likewise, not doing so for my partner's ideas feels disrespectful and uncaring - as if their ideas aren't worth focus/energy.

It's a HORRIBLE mismatch - at a very basic level. One that I've decided to avoid, having no wish to harm anyone that way (or me, for that matter). So please, by all means, do keep yourself emotionally safe.

 

You know, this makes all kinds of sense. I have been on the other side of it (as an INTP), and I promise you, it is intensely painful to me to feel that I can't trust my partner to take the ideas I've shared to the next level, or dissect them with a scalpel. Likewise, not doing so for my partner's ideas feels disrespectful and uncaring - as if their ideas aren't worth focus/energy.

It's a HORRIBLE mismatch - at a very basic level. One that I've decided to avoid, having no wish to harm anyone that way (or me, for that matter). So please, by all means, do keep yourself emotionally safe.

I agree, this is exactly what I think now too. I know I have really hurt people - it's unintentional but I feel I need to take responsibility for it now - and part of that is by being honest about my needs and temperament. At the moment I feel I can't be trusted at all in relationships - partly because I don't want to hurt others, but also because it's become increasingly damaging to myself.

 

I think I was overgeneralizing when I made that statement. There are certainly exceptions, despite basic incompatibilities. I'm sorry I was so harsh earlier.

 

INTP's are nothing but sweet, cuddley, little fuzzballs. How could we possibly piss anyone off? :shocked:

 

I know, right?



Pertaining to the thread, if I find myself in a situation where I'm bound to piss someone off, I force myself to run with it. Otherwise, I'll be my usual, quiet, shy-self that everyone (or at least, my close friends) feels the need to poke out of it's" shell".

Then there's times where I stop myself and think I sound like a total asshole. That might be the low, calm tone of voice, though.

I haven't met another INTP in person, as far as I know, so I can't say what pisses me off about others.

With myself, it's as clear as day, I know I'm emotional, I just can't stand crying or actually expressing those feelings around others. I just feel like a spinning-ball of awkward and since I can't really sympathize when I see someone else sobbing about something that is generally deemed "sad", I don't feel I have the right to dump my problems on them.

It'd be great to say, "Hey, that really makes me sad, even though I'm laughing and being a rude jerk about it." :crazy:

 

...about INTP's?
...meh...
...they're okay chaps...

...a little stubborn, sometimes a little arrogant...
...but all they really seek is an audience...someone to share their ideas and thoughts with...
...and on occasion, some positive criticism, or a new idea to add to theirs, so that their idea or theorem etc might grow into something more...

I think, the only bad part about INTP's are with relationships. We tend to be insensitive sometimes. I've got the worst of both worlds because I'm a Cancer, which means I am rather emotional. This doesn't always help...

Truth seekers we are, and sometimes we like to believe there is a universal truth right around the corner, and in our heads we believe we're gonna be the first to discover it, and in doing that our lives are going to be somehow transformed into something more.

...aah yes...the INTP.
...the silly little INTP.

We all secretly despise each other by the way...
:mellow:

 

Can I just say I'm an INTP and I relate absolutely to this comment? I think the part that hit home was that we are all looking for constructive criticism and I just looked through this entire forum on what people hate about my personality type. You sire, are a genius.

 

i believe that many traits presented here about intp's are more misconceptions. most intp's aren't spelling nazis because it's not worth putting energy into as long as the meaning comes through, and is therefore considered like details. also, our p side and introversion would refrain us from being picky about it. it's mostly in our heads we notice such errors easily, but it doesn't irritate us that much as people seem to think.

regarding the topic, i know that some would perceive us to be lazy and get irritated when we do not do things when told, or that we have a tendency to do stuff at the last minute before deadline. i know that my entj flatmate don't like that i postpone cleaning duties, and usually i'm not doing a very good job at that either (80% is good enough, right?)

 

most intp's aren't spelling nazis because it's not worth putting energy into as long as the meaning comes through, and is therefore considered like details. also, our p side and introversion would refrain us from being picky about it. it's mostly in our heads we notice such errors easily, but it doesn't irritate us that much as people seem to think.

Yeah, I normally correct a person's grammar or spelling online when that person is correcting someone else's grammar or spelling, and I'm usually doing that because it's funny to me. Sometimes I do this as a sideways defense of the person originally being corrected.

 

just adding thanks to put u on a quicker road to VIP status. indeed true what u say...rings my bell,..and do to like to pretend i am a ninja

 

Yep. :mellow: It seems they like to argue in order to clarify their own positions and to understand how the opponent is wrong or right, and what parts of the opponent's argument actually have validity. INFPs like me, however, tend to dislike arguing unless our ideas are fully formed in our heads already, and when someone argues, we tend to feel like we are defending ourselves. The values we are arguing tend to already be incorporated into our sense of who we are by the time we care about them enough to risk conflict defending them.

 

I don't like to argue. I'm not good at making a solid argument by myself, and there's always something the other person will say that I'll have to think about or adjust. Usually, they don't want to hear any of it--they just go "You were wrong, your whole argument was wrong, you can't go back and change things, I win, I'm outta here." I don't want to think of a debate as a competition. My point isn't to "win." It's to refine and communicate my ideas, not to be dismissed. Occasionally, there's someone who actually listens and thinks carefully.

I think this might be your problem as well? If that's the case, INTPs are probably not your best bet. We're kind of used to having people shove their hard-fought opinions in our face to try to convert us to our worldview (at least, that tends to be my experience). It's because we seem easy-going and will agree with most ideas unless we have a reason not to. But when something's pushed in our face, we tend to fight it off--and after enough pushing, we fight off anything that's directed specifically at us. Unfortunately, this includes ideas shared with us by other Introverts, who don't always have that intention. Sometimes I wonder if the people I try to argue with are having the same issue, but that doesn't seem to be the case, since I get the same response even if my idea is mildly suggested instead of enthusiastically conveyed.

And if I do debate, I have to know a lot about what I'm talking about. Competency doesn't cut it if you're up against a Smug Expert, and those experiences alone are enough to turn you off on the idea.

We're just a little burned out, really, from the people who are so sure they're right, and it makes us do stuff that is so stupid. (For some of us, that means inadvertently acting just like them. Not good.) Also, some people are just jerks. *shrug*

Oh, and I really don't like debating values, though I'll reluctantly do so if someone's really going against them and it's hurting someone (possibly them). That's something most people are set hard on. It's like trying to change someone's opinion on the Internet: just not gonna happen. And a lot of the time these people's approach is the one we burn out on hearing.

I hope you aren't still too against us... I like INFPs. They care a lot, and they know what's important to them.