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This is a discussion on What happened to you when that Fe Started to develop? within the INTP Forum - The Thinkers forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; Originally Posted by colysan I don't have the time to watch the video yet, but I will as soon as ...

  1. #21
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by colysan View Post
    I don't have the time to watch the video yet, but I will as soon as I find some time for it :).
    Here's a rundown.

    Neural imaging can identify how meditation affects the brain. In this case, the study identifies which parts of the mind propagate stories and our personal, on-going narrative or internal chatter and which part of the brain is attuned to present moment awareness of the body.

    The average, non-mediator is wrapped up in their own stories whereas those who meditate see their story as less real and less important while becoming more aware of what's actually happening right now.

    For the INTP, Internal chatter = Ti/Ne, present moment bodily awareness = Fe. Thus, if an INTP wants to wake up to their full potential as a human being (i.e. develop their Fe), meditation has been scientifically proven to facilitate this transformation.
    Last edited by Just_Some_Guy; 06-25-2012 at 06:17 AM.
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  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmotionallyTonedGeometry View Post
    Here's a rundown.

    Neural imaging can identify how meditation affects the brain. In this case, the study identifies which parts of the mind propagate stories and our personal, on-going narrative or internal chatter and which part of the brain is attuned to present moment awareness of the body.

    The average, non-mediator is wrapped up in their own stories whereas those who meditate see their story as less real and less important while becoming more aware of what's actually happening right now.

    For the INTP, Internal chatter = Ti/Ne, present moment bodily awareness = Fe. Thus, if an INTP wants to wake up to their full potential as a human being (i.e. develop their Fe), meditation has been scientifically proven to facilitate this transformation.
    Meditation seems to help a lot with self-acceptance, too. And avoiding feedback loops between negative thoughts and physiological states.

    Also, increases gamma waves in the brain, which increases holistic thinking, creativity, and makes it easier to understand other people rather than simply reacting to them. (Not easy, but easier.)

    I haven't felt "at war" with my feelings in years... I tend to accept them, act on them if I have to, knowing that they're impermanent, and that they're not "me"... I don't have to attach to them or define myself by them, any more than I have to define myself by my thoughts. I think there's an obsessive-compulsive tendency in INTPs where they compulsively guard against feelings because they're afraid that their essential identity is going to change if they don't, in the same way someone with OCD believes their obsessive thoughts ultimately control their external reality. Only they don't; having a "bad thought" is not going to cause your loved one to get in a car accident. Letting go of the idea that there are bad thoughts/feelings is very freeing. Then you can start working on your actions instead.

  3. #23
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Over the years I've gotten pretty good at dealing with my emotions (better than I was, anyway) but some of them still overwhelm me. I think of them as a ticking time bomb that I know I have to deal with but keep ignoring. Until one day I say to myself "I have to deal with this now before it blows up on my face," then it explodes and all hell breaks loose.

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    Here's an article about a recent study of mindfulness training and PTSD.
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  5. #25
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    I think I'm also right in the middle of a developing Fe.

    It sucks honestly. I feel very uncomfortable with myself because I have strong urges to let all these incredibly irrational and egocentric emotions out, but when I do, I feel ashamed of my selfish narrow-mindedness.

    Definitely not liking it so far. I realize the importance of emotions, but I just have so little control over them, it's very frustrating. It's just like a really strong battle is going on inside me, and to the outside world it just translates to me being really bitter and retracted all the time, and then randomly bursting out in emotional whine-fests that make everybody feel uncomfortable and unsure what to do because I'm usually such a calm, approachable person. It makes me feel like a cliché 'young adult' and I absolutely don't like that stereotype at all.

    Inside, I'm constantly switching between "Baw I'm so sad, I'll never get over this. People are so unfair and they make no sense! I JUST WANT TO BE LOVED. Man I wish I was a self-confident man-man..." and "That's ridiculous. You're just feeling sorry for yourself and it's pretty freaking obvious. You're making an ass out of yourself. Just get on with life already, especially compared to the rest of the world, you have it great! Be grateful. Stay calm, listen, observe, learn."

    Fe is a bitch hah. I wonder how long it'll take for it to stabilize. I hope it's not going to take too long because it's just embarassing really. It's keeping me from doing what I really like, which is just gaining new information, making art and sharing ideas with other people. Not getting caught up in interpersonal, dramatic egocentric monologues.
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  6. #26
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by nadjasix View Post
    Here's an article about a recent study of mindfulness training and PTSD.
    Heh, mindfulness huh? My therapist suggested I'd do that when I did see him regularly. I wish I had a tarot deck still. It was my way of doing mindfulness because I would think of a problem and how the cards relate to that problem as a way of expanding my thought-process.

    Having such strong Fi as I have though, I tend to be overwhelmed by emotions quite often (and Fi is as shit as expressing them as Ti) and while this was troublesome when I was a teenager and I often nurtured the idea of being in a human android was a good thing, I don't so much anymore. I just accept them as is. The only time I think my Ti and Fi conflict a lot is when it comes to important decisions but I usually tend to let Fi decide.

    Generally speaking though, I kind of think Ti-Fi ain't all that bad. I think I have a pretty good self-awareness of how I feel and think about things. My problem is about expressing it to other people
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  7. #27
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    Generally speaking though, I kind of think Ti-Fi ain't all that bad. I think I have a pretty good self-awareness of how I feel and think about things.
    Until some time ago I never thought a Ti-Fi axis would be possible at all. But it starts to catch my interest more and more. I think I'm gonna start another thread on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dimensional Transition View Post
    Inside, I'm constantly switching between "Baw I'm so sad, I'll never get over this. People are so unfair and they make no sense! I JUST WANT TO BE LOVED. Man I wish I was a self-confident man-man..." and "That's ridiculous. You're just feeling sorry for yourself and it's pretty freaking obvious. You're making an ass out of yourself. Just get on with life already, especially compared to the rest of the world, you have it great! Be grateful. Stay calm, listen, observe, learn."

    Fe is a bitch hah. I wonder how long it'll take for it to stabilize. I hope it's not going to take too long because it's just embarassing really. It's keeping me from doing what I really like, which is just gaining new information, making art and sharing ideas with other people. Not getting caught up in interpersonal, dramatic egocentric monologues.
    Yeah Fe is pretty good in beating us INTPs up isn't it :P. It's either black (everybody hates us, everybody thinks we're worthless, blah blah) or white (I can conquer the world, everybody likes me, my friends are most awesome, etc.).
    When it goes black, instead of accepting its temporal state Ti denies it, making it worse, because you can't suppress your shadow. Hence Ti works "around" the emotion imprisoning your self, until your Ti collapses under the pressure of your Fe and there is your emotional breakout.
    What helped me was simply accepting the fact that Ti really cannot understand Fe. You can only decide to accept Fe, without asking yourself the why question. The world doesn't have to make sense sometimes. You don't have to make sense sometimes :P.

    The above is kind of like the Ti version of "learn to love, accept and forgive yourself" .

  8. #28
    ENFP - The Inspirers

    Quote Originally Posted by colysan View Post
    Until some time ago I never thought a Ti-Fi axis would be possible at all. But it starts to catch my interest more and more. I think I'm gonna start another thread on that.



    Yeah Fe is pretty good in beating us INTPs up isn't it :P. It's either black (everybody hates us, everybody thinks we're worthless, blah blah) or white (I can conquer the world, everybody likes me, my friends are most awesome, etc.).
    When it goes black, instead of accepting its temporal state Ti denies it, making it worse, because you can't suppress your shadow. Hence Ti works "around" the emotion imprisoning your self, until your Ti collapses under the pressure of your Fe and there is your emotional breakout.
    What helped me was simply accepting the fact that Ti really cannot understand Fe. You can only decide to accept Fe, without asking yourself the why question. The world doesn't have to make sense sometimes. You don't have to make sense sometimes :P.

    The above is kind of like the Ti version of "learn to love, accept and forgive yourself" .
    Hmmm. I'm not sure how I'd go by accepting it, or how that'd help. Right now I just wander around feeling bad for days, being unable to do anything because I'm just not happy for an unexplainable reason. Just going with it means shutting myself out from the world, being alone, and feeling like 'all people suck'. It's just... inefficient. If negative emotions were just short-lasting I'd be perfectly fine with them, but feeling them day after day just makes you wonder if it's ever gonna pass.

    And I'm a hypocrite too, really. There are a lot of people who don't suck and who care for me, but for some reason they annoy me now. They keep talking to me and I'm not really sure what to say to them anymore, or what they'd like to hear. "How are you doing?" "How was your day?"... all I can say is "Yeah fine".

    And if I go to class, I get along fine with just letting that silly Ne out. It's liberating, but somewhat of a mask these days. I sometimes tell people I feel like shit but I'm not sure how to explain it any further without making myself seem like a suicidal nutcase or something. Exposing your true feelings is very, very hard. Especially when you've always been the one helping others, telling them to look at it all from an objective perspective, reassuring them it's going to be okay, telling jokes... I just feel like that side of me would seem fake (it's not, it's probably just my 'normal', balanced me, really) to others if I wasn't happy myself.

    I think it all might stem from some sort of unrequited love that hit me this year, but I'm not sure. It might just be a weak excuse. Why I'd need an excuse, I don't know. But yeah. I keep going back and forth between wondering if she is or was interested in me or not. For a few months I was quite sure I was over it, but then she started acting all interested and nice to me again. And the memories of her telling me "You're sweet" and all the hints she gave me in the past that I failed to see at the time... The times we hugged and stuff. And I wonder if they ever meant anything. But then I wonder if I made it all up, etc. etc. And then at the same time, there are a few other girls/women(not sure what I should call them when everybody I know is 17/18/19) who seem interested in me, but they just annoy the shit out of me with their clinginess, and I realize what a terrible person I am by not simply being nice to them, instead of making sarcastic remarks/ignoring them.

    Fe is a retarded function when it's inferior, really.

  9. #29
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by EmotionallyTonedGeometry View Post
    In my mid 20s, I woke up. I started noticing shades of grey between the extremes of my emotions and, more importantly, I realized that Ti/Ne is actually a prison I had constructed to shield myself from Fe. How sad.
    I couldn't agree more. Earlier this year my Fe began to develop, so I started experiencing all these emotions I could not rationalize. My Fe at the time wasn't balanced; it was really, really intense. my use of Fe was all or nothing. Since it scared the shit out of me, I crawled right back into my Ti/Ne shelter for comfort. But my Ti/Ne shelter is more smothering than comforting, preventing me from fully experiencing life. It's really not a great way to live. I need to crawl out this hole before I'm stuck in a Ti/Ne rut.

    Embracing your emotions does make life so much more fulfilling. Developing your Fe is quite beneficial in the long run. Life seems more painful without a developed Fe.
    Last edited by The Wanderer; 06-25-2012 at 06:13 PM.
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  10. #30
    INTP - The Thinkers

    Quote Originally Posted by nadjasix View Post
    Meditation seems to help a lot with self-acceptance, too. And avoiding feedback loops between negative thoughts and physiological states.

    Also, increases gamma waves in the brain, which increases holistic thinking, creativity, and makes it easier to understand other people rather than simply reacting to them. (Not easy, but easier.)

    I haven't felt "at war" with my feelings in years... I tend to accept them, act on them if I have to, knowing that they're impermanent, and that they're not "me"... I don't have to attach to them or define myself by them, any more than I have to define myself by my thoughts. I think there's an obsessive-compulsive tendency in INTPs where they compulsively guard against feelings because they're afraid that their essential identity is going to change if they don't, in the same way someone with OCD believes their obsessive thoughts ultimately control their external reality. Only they don't; having a "bad thought" is not going to cause your loved one to get in a car accident. Letting go of the idea that there are bad thoughts/feelings is very freeing. Then you can start working on your actions instead.
    i can definetely relate to that


 
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