[Ortherion]

If it's any consolation, this happened to me and really messed my life up a lot. I switched majors, and even colleges, several times, moved all over the country, and only now, at the age of 29, am I finally back on track with goals and a plan to achieve them. I've come to realize that my talents for building efficient systems would probably work very well in a field like electronic engineering, and so now I'm looking into that. Good luck with math and physics, especially physics - that's always been one of my passions as well. Not so much theoretical math though, simply because, I have the strong urge to keep asking the professor, "what is the point of this, what does it do, what does it accomplish," only to get chided with the reminder that my work doesn't need to mean anything or have a purpose right now, but that perhaps someday in the near or distant future, some engineer or scientist might find a use for it. It's about right then that I think, "well, why am I not a scientist or an engineer then."

Something about the future excites me. It's kind of like the whole thing with space exploration. Always working toward a new goal, we don't know what effect it'll have this day, but one day we'll see it applied (sooner than later if we're lucky.) That being said, I don't want to derail the topic! Perhaps in a few years time I'll have involved myself in another area of the sciences, who knows? I kind of like that about life, I know what umbrella I'll be under, but where exactly, I couldn't say.

[Near]

Thanks for all your answers, guys. I guess this is due to my high Fi, I have a few dreams that I plan on succeeding at and I'm really not planning on accepting the end of my life until I do.
It's a real surprise that no INTJ's so far have something like this, because it's really what gives me a road to walk on.
Or maybe I'm just different. Oh well.

you're right, it's Fi.
i think you and i are similar to this end, i honestly cannot go on without a purpose, it's private though.

it's like if you don't have a destination that you WANT to reach, then what's the next step?, according to what will you take action? get it? you maybe among the minority of people who do.
I may not be able to communicate this to anyone clearly because i haven't really stacked it into words in my mind, but i hope it's worth something.

I would love to see this thread remain, as opposed to the silly ones.
who the heck does the stickying?

[hoom]

Do you INTJ's have one thought up? If so, which one? If not, why not?
I'm just wondering if amazing planners such as ourselves have a real life plan and if so, if following that plan makes us all happy or not.

I second the notion of @SPtheGhost, if plans and purpose being *very* distinct entities.

I've always thought the 'questioning of human/personal purpose' thing to be stupid and misguided. There needn't be a 'purpose' to life, the assumption that this is not the case is a bad one.

As for plans... mine are numerous. Some of the more general/vague goals that motivate those plans are to fall in love, to create an impact that spans more than just my company, and to accumulate enough wealth and/or power to pursue only what interests me (I don't think I'd be likely to ever stop working, I'd just rather be working on what I find to be extraordinary, not just what someone else finds profitable). Those would obviously be some of the more difficult goals.

[lolthevoidlol]

I don't have any solid plans or goals or defined purpose; more like life strategies. Life has too many variables and I've seen people get really fucked up over their goals/plans getting jacked. I'd rather stay flexible. The strategy is to be open, exploratory, and take advantage of opportunities. Basically to stay interested in being alive and not box myself in.

[coolcats]

haha this thread is perfect :)

I have several life plans. plan A, B, and C.

Plan A. (I won't go into full detail because I would write a novel.)
Move to Hawaii and go to college, find a good paying job, buy an apartment. Then find a tattoo shop willing to hire me, and work. Then tan and relax on my days off.

Plan B
Get more into my modeling career and make some money. Then move to Hawaii and buy a nice house, and live happily ever after.

Plan C
This is one of my more crazy plans, but still very rational. If any of my other plans don't work out, I want to leave, Just leave this society. I would buy a boat. And a ton of supplies like water, and food ect. then sail the ocean until I find an abandoned little island. I would plants seeds, to grow like bananas and coconuts. Then fish for food. and boil sea water, so I could drink it. And then I could just live on that island alone and in peace. without any rules. and just me, myself, and I.

Those are my plans :) They are more detailed and complete in reality.

[Zheeph]

you're right, it's Fi.
i think you and i are similar to this end, i honestly cannot go on without a purpose, it's private though.

it's like if you don't have a destination that you WANT to reach, then what's the next step?, according to what will you take action? get it? you maybe among the minority of people who do.
I may not be able to communicate this to anyone clearly because i haven't really stacked it into words in my mind, but i hope it's worth something.

I would love to see this thread remain, as opposed to the silly ones.
who the heck does the stickying?

Thanks man, It's nice having a partner in this fight.
I basically feel like everything else is meaningless if I don't stick to my own road that I thought up years ago, although I keep changing the means to get to it so I'm not as linear as I may seem. I decided that this would be what my life is about and there's no turning back.
When I'm a bit down and life kinda beings telling me "You're going to fail at this, dude." I just don't know what to do, I really just rage until I find a way to contradict the current condition. So yeah, I don't know another way to be happy without this. That's the reason to this thread, I was hoping to, dunno, see how everyone else feels and thinks about this in order to maybe help myself out.
It didn't help out but it did give nice information, overall.
PS: I did find a way to fight back this time through other means though.

[catniss]

I have neither plan nor purpose anymore and the existential crisis caused by that is slowly driving me crazy.

[Zheeph]

I have neither plan nor purpose anymore and the existential crisis caused by that is slowly driving me crazy.

It should. Such is the life of an INTJ.

[catniss]

It should. Such is the life of an INTJ.

I suppose. It's irritatingly poetic how one's main advantage (in my case being goal-oriented) is also one's downfall. While my current state is not pleasant at all there is also the other side:

"If i found a job, a project, an ideal or a person I wanted ----- I'd have to depend on the whole world. Everything has strings leading to everything else. We're all so tied up altogether. We're all in a net, the net is waiting, and, we're pushed into it by one single desire. You want a thing and it's precious to you. Do you know who is standing ready to tear it out of your hands? You can't know, it may be some so involved and so far away, but someone is ready, and you're afraid of them all. And you just cringe and crawl and you beg and you accept them ---- just so they'll let you keep it. And look at whom you come to accept."

[Zheeph]

I suppose. It's irritatingly poetic how one's main advantage (in my case being goal-oriented) is also one's downfall. While my current state is not pleasant at all there is also the other side:

"If i found a job, a project, an ideal or a person I wanted ----- I'd have to depend on the whole world. Everything has strings leading to everything else. We're all so tied up altogether. We're all in a net, the net is waiting, and, we're pushed into it by one single desire. You want a thing and it's precious to you. Do you know who is standing ready to tear it out of your hands? You can't know, it may be some so involved and so far away, but someone is ready, and you're afraid of them all. And you just cringe and crawl and you beg and you accept them ---- just so they'll let you keep it. And look at whom you come to accept."

Since you brought that up, I don't know if you're into 80's Rock but you could check out On Your Knees by Riot, It's been one of my favourite songs for a while and it's pretty much about what you just said.
But indeed, we all want independence but we'll always be dependent on something. But now let me throw the question: Do you really want to be 100% independent?
Because that means being alone not needing anyone for anything.