[kiwig0ld]

I believe it was the great philosopher Shawn Carter who said, "Man, you was who you was 'fore you got here." But ignoring that, as well as other evidence suggesting cognitive functions are predetermined by parental traits, I'll conclude my cognitive development started right after I exited the womb when I was placed in an icubator for 3 months with limited supervision or stimulation, later followed by ages 8-12 where I once again was unsupervised left to my own devices at a critical stage of development yet still held responsible for any actions or offenses during this time.

[sen]

I had similar with "allergy brain" and "prednisolone brain". It's more likely that it's not the cognitive functions on how the data is processed but the entire process itself just goes FUBAR for a while. Also with the perception of the way you think, you feel as if there are bits missing. You feel shit, everything's shit so it doesn't seem as if you are using all functions.

I can remember speeding my tits off on 100 mg of pred trying to get a handle on my breathing (asthma) and not having the wherewithal to sit up straight. I couldn't focus on watching any TV as I was irritated and angry (side effect). I began to flip through my favourite songs to listen to and really just could not listen to a whole song without being disgusted and switching. Then after a while there is memory loss, you go through explaining something then start over again then have a deja vu moment and stop, look and hope no-one noticed. I would have thought there would be absolutely nothing firing up there at all. But I look at old posts here and old emails and can surprisingly relate to it still even though I'm feeling somewhat better.

oh my, Bethdeth, I too was put on 100 mg preds for five days following each chemo (6 infusions). I think the only reason the clamp teeth til they fracture effect was mitigated by the other chemical poisons I'd received. I was so busy being poisoned, it was not as huge of a response as one would normally have with pred alone. That or it served in a similar capacity as a twitch does on a horse's lip, causing the focus there, not on whatever else is happening. I do recall New Year's eve, 14 degrees f. out and me in a nighty painting my kitchen ceiling with all the doors open to reduce the paint fumes. preds, so necessary, do blow. (a CA group I belong to, the common descriptive phrase used is 'picking lint out of the carpet' and/or 'relining the kitchen shelves."

But that you had a similar brain/thinking shutdown on an immunity meds protocol makes me wonder if perhaps allergy brain is caused by whatever function leads to chemo brain. Something to ask my oncologist, he's realized finally just how much the damage toll was on my psyche due to losing my main and auxilliary functions, and now will listen to/humor me, as I stumble along with biochem-related questions, and even theorize about things (my old 'hobby' was reading on brain chemistry and the delightful cytochrome P405 cascade).

I've pondered that perhaps the body senses the onslaught of these chemicals and shuts things down. That would lead to the FUBAR shutdown. It is speculated that chemo drugs cannot get through the blood brain barrier, but something causes these symptoms, be they mild or stupendous.

And the deja vu thing, great descriptor, spot on.

It's the getting back that is the trick. I have not lost my time-line memories, but my stored information, that lovely playground and fact file that I'd draw on ... still have not been able to reconnect to that. It's like losing an arm or leg in a way. Some times a bit will leak back into consciousness. Recovery is a goal, but slow going.

The few who have done some dedicated research on chemical/chemo effects speculate it in some unknown manner, it causes a knock out of the main cognitive process. Add on the damage to nerve endings and synapse misfires. 'tis hell.

I am hoping you continue on improving from the allergy brain and also the doggone preds. Did they tell you to wear an alert bracelet for a year following your last dose of preds??? seems it is important for any emergency responders to know, probably adrenal related.

BTW, from your writing, you seem on top of your game to me. Be well.

[Poptart]

It seems like it could be, I currently have a theory going of certain events in peoples life when experienced can cause introversion, the one i am currently working on is beauty in society. does society cause attractive people to be more often than not extroverted because of the things they have experienced thru being attractive. and beauty according to the golds ratio mixed with introversion would mean they have experienced something in life that has made them introverted.

Dunno if that made sense, or if it sounded offensive, i didn't mean it to and doesn't have a connection to you, but is very similar to what i am already working on, just different reasons for the introversion

Maybe extraversion (correlated to confidence) causes a person to appear more attractive? Maybe extraverted people are more inclined to go along with fashion trends and be more concerned about appearance, therefore taking better care of it? Maybe since most people are extraverted, most attractive people are extraverted?
This is all just speculation, btw.

As far as I can remember, I've been introverted since I was a kid. My kindergarten report card explicitly said: "Can be a loner. Doesn't mix well with others."

I believe we are largely what we are born to be.

[bethdeth]

oh my, Bethdeth, I too was put on 100 mg preds for five days following each chemo (6 infusions). I think the only reason the clamp teeth til they fracture effect was mitigated by the other chemical poisons I'd received. I was so busy being poisoned, it was not as huge of a response as one would normally have with pred alone. That or it served in a similar capacity as a twitch does on a horse's lip, causing the focus there, not on whatever else is happening. I do recall New Year's eve, 14 degrees f. out and me in a nighty painting my kitchen ceiling with all the doors open to reduce the paint fumes. preds, so necessary, do blow. (a CA group I belong to, the common descriptive phrase used is 'picking lint out of the carpet' and/or 'relining the kitchen shelves."

But that you had a similar brain/thinking shutdown on an immunity meds protocol makes me wonder if perhaps allergy brain is caused by whatever function leads to chemo brain. Something to ask my oncologist, he's realized finally just how much the damage toll was on my psyche due to losing my main and auxilliary functions, and now will listen to/humor me, as I stumble along with biochem-related questions, and even theorize about things (my old 'hobby' was reading on brain chemistry and the delightful cytochrome P405 cascade).

I've pondered that perhaps the body senses the onslaught of these chemicals and shuts things down. That would lead to the FUBAR shutdown. It is speculated that chemo drugs cannot get through the blood brain barrier, but something causes these symptoms, be they mild or stupendous.

And the deja vu thing, great descriptor, spot on.

It's the getting back that is the trick. I have not lost my time-line memories, but my stored information, that lovely playground and fact file that I'd draw on ... still have not been able to reconnect to that. It's like losing an arm or leg in a way. Some times a bit will leak back into consciousness. Recovery is a goal, but slow going.

The few who have done some dedicated research on chemical/chemo effects speculate it in some unknown manner, it causes a knock out of the main cognitive process. Add on the damage to nerve endings and synapse misfires. 'tis hell.

I am hoping you continue on improving from the allergy brain and also the doggone preds. Did they tell you to wear an alert bracelet for a year following your last dose of preds??? seems it is important for any emergency responders to know, probably adrenal related.

BTW, from your writing, you seem on top of your game to me. Be well.

I'm thinking the mimicry of stress hormones just narrows focus just like real stressful situations do. Often descriptions in a traumatic event will be focussed in detail on a focal point and feelings about that focal point whereas everything else is vague.

I'm sure you can relate to just everything being a constant WTF just happened, meh, next thing....and trying to remember processes as INTJ (Si) is a bitch (how the hell did I do this last time?).

The adrenal related issues I have from this are pretty apparent now too. I can't seem to get under 12.5 without sleeping for 16 hours in a day if I go by 1mg. I am going for a .5 reduction soon. I've been on pred in medium dose for a couple of years for the autoimmune/allergy thing.

I was also reading somewhere recently that people with allergies have less chance of cancer. I went looking for more of the study but it's an Indian study with no bloody info. I would like to know if this is the body's way of fighting off threats ie cancer and the like. I highly doubt it's a constant like they have indicated in the brief blurb.

They haven't given me a bracelet. They haven't even given me a diagnosis. It's kinda like Lupus without the butterfly rash. A severe sudden autoimmune attack to every food group which lasted years. The more I've read up about the multiple intolerances and and the less stress I have the better I've become. I'm guessing it was all just stress from trying to do too many things at once and ignoring needed calm/rest with several ongoing (severe) airborne allergies in my surroundings. FUBAR!

Thanks for the great compliment!

I hope that you keep on with the improvement as well. The brain is a terrible thing to be aware that you are not up to par with when ill. You'd think while you are being ill that it's probably the best time to disappear into the imagination instead of vegetating, a sad waste it can be sometimes.....but pushing through and regaining yourself bit by bit is a victory in every clear thought....and so worth pursuing. I have little doubt you can totally relate.

[sen]

BethD ... found this, probably not the citation you were looking for (and I hope it is ok to post outbound linx in this forum)

Assessment of Type of Allergy and Antihistamine Use in the Development of Glioma

the site is a goldmine for anyone who cannot get enough of statistics in medicine. The link is focused on glial tumors and allergy protection from. Not sure but I bet there might be other papers on the allergy angle.

Allergy brain (had no idea there was such a thing) seems similar. I will ask my doctor when I see him in June. Thnx.

[sen]

ooops...double post. so sorry

[bethdeth]

BethD ... found this, probably not the citation you were looking for (and I hope it is ok to post outbound linx in this forum)

Assessment of Type of Allergy and Antihistamine Use in the Development of Glioma

the site is a goldmine for anyone who cannot get enough of statistics in medicine. The link is focused on glial tumors and allergy protection from. Not sure but I bet there might be other papers on the allergy angle.

Allergy brain (had no idea there was such a thing) seems similar. I will ask my doctor when I see him in June. Thnx.

Allergy brain is pretty much a given when your entire head is thumping and filled with mucus. When I first went to get the skin tests from the allergy doc the first thing he said was "So tell me, how pissed off are you?" I said, "let me count the ways". Brain fog and irritated beyond belief would be how I describe it. It would be the perfect time to be placed as a front line berserker in war.

I never took antihistamines for any of the allergies. They have wonderfully coloured antihistamine pills which cause onset of ridiculously bad asthma attacks. If you can always ask for white tablets for anything. Azo dyes like tartrazine (sunset yellow or colours 102 -110) are banned in heaps of countries yet they are allowed to put them in medicines without labelling them?

Don't take the yellow pills man.

Thanks for the link. This is more what I was looking for. I'm thinking that as the body changes during different hormonal phases and times of stress the body would react differently to allergies and cancers.