[BrainPicker_omnomnom]

If holding your hand will get me to information i need then i will gladly do it.

But if there was another way then i would rather do that, I am taking the subject very seriously, so serious that i am taking other peoples opinions into account, and to take other peoples opinions into account i should read what they have read, to better understand the reason they have come to a different conclusion.

i see i will not get to this elusive and questionable information from you, so lead the way, i'll hold on tight i promise xx

This is exactly what I was thinking. I don't like it when people expect others to look up things they want to claim. If you want to help someone learn something (or if you just want to win an argument), then give them the tools you used to reach the conclusions you reached.



Asking people if you need to hold their hand is very discouraging to anyone who wants to learn. Learning is something to be encouraged.

[TaylorP]

Yet another thread talking about changing your MBTI.

Even though MBTI clearly states you are born this way.

Its quiet simply goes like this, at a young age you do not know anything to make a judgement on the subject. So when you reflect on your childhood, you mistaken a childs healthy growing up habits as a change of MBTI.

Anyone with a little knowledge on child psychology will know this.

[sanari]

What was your personality type as a kid?

Just a nugget. Continue to search, if you are truly an INTJ. An INTJ would have no issue searching for his own answers.

[TaylorP]

What was your personality type as a kid?

Just a nugget. Continue to search, if you are truly an INTJ. An INTJ would have no issue searching for his own answers.

Just want to point this out, INTJ would also question the information they have found as the OP is doing to come to a conclusion.

[jd_]

No...
Why would you think these key subjective experiences caused that anyway? If anything, it seems those events would have made you a different type. Not that I think those events have much effect anyhow.
OP, what you seem to be doing is trying to mold your childhood events somehow into something that serves your current self.

[jd_]

I was going through a pretty rough night and I started thinking about what actually made me become an INTJ. Here's what I've concluded:

- My parents have always raised me in a way that has made me feel responsible for my actions and those of others.
- My parents have always called me an idiot when I failed, as well as a loser (while grounding me very severely, in an out-of-proportion way) and never once congratulated me when I managed to do something good.

I feel immature about the reasons I've stated, but this is what I thought of..
Ps: I am, as I think yu've guessed, a girl.
Thoughts?

Just to give you other examples..

option a) above in Bold. - somebody could have read 2 chapters from the bible and came ot the same conclusion, or the 10 commandments. Does that make them an INTJ?

option b) above Underlined. - so your parents were jerks, and that correlates to INTJ... how again?

PS You might want to confront your parents about this if you are still having issues or feel like you have to step on eggshells around them, b/c that is not cool, no matter what your type happens to be.

[Abraxas]

If holding your hand will get me to information i need then i will gladly do it.

But if there was another way then i would rather do that, I am taking the subject very seriously, so serious that i am taking other peoples opinions into account, and to take other peoples opinions into account i should read what they have read, to better understand the reason they have come to a different conclusion.

i see i will not get to this elusive and questionable information from you, so lead the way, i'll hold on tight i promise xx

Haha, alright. You've been a good sport and I was being a bit harsh. Part of developing my tertiary Fi at this point in my life is remembering to put myself into the other person's shoes, so I apologize for being condescending. It's just that I see so many people come in and spout off a question that demonstrates such a profound lack of understanding of the subject, followed by demands for 'proof' whenever an answer is given, that I assumed...

Anyway, look for Personality Type by Lenore Thomson. She has a lot of good information about the subject. Carl Jung himself speculates that the functions ought to be biological in his own book, Psychological Types, and lots of clinical study has been done over the years to suggest that the functions are innate from birth. Check out the official MBTI website, they have a list of books you can check out (maybe a few of them are available at your local library if you're short on cash).

I wish I had some good web-links to provide you with, but honestly I can't find too many goods ones either. Someone else might be able to help you there, I get most of my information from the source (published material).

[Abraxas]

This is exactly what I was thinking. I don't like it when people expect others to look up things they want to claim. If you want to help someone learn something (or if you just want to win an argument), then give them the tools you used to reach the conclusions you reached.

Asking people if you need to hold their hand is very discouraging to anyone who wants to learn. Learning is something to be encouraged.

Sup, Fe. How's it going?

[bethdeth]

I was going through a pretty rough night and I started thinking about what actually made me become an INTJ. Here's what I've concluded:

- My parents have always raised me in a way that has made me feel responsible for my actions and those of others.
- My parents have always called me an idiot when I failed, as well as a loser (while grounding me very severely, in an out-of-proportion way) and never once congratulated me when I managed to do something good.

I feel immature about the reasons I've stated, but this is what I thought of..
Ps: I am, as I think yu've guessed, a girl.
Thoughts?

When you are young and developing you might think you are changing from one type to another. It's just development as you go through the phases of understanding. Black and white thinking generally dominates childhood and is replaced by abstract thinking around 12 (note that some never effing get there). This is all part of biological events and mylenation processes and such. There are multiple sources to say that personality is stable* (*not immutable) from ages 3 or most likely before then. It's a given in psychology that this is more likely the case. The real question is from the womb to 3 years....how does it become stable? Is it environmental or is it inherited? The more likely scenario where studies on levels of dopamine (and plethora of other chemicals) in different types of attachments (attachment theory) show inherent factors rather than learned. It isn't a far stretch to apply that to personality also since they argued back and forth about nature versus nurture. The differences however is that attachment can alter whereas personality rarely changes outside of organic damage to the brain.

[INTJ_Woman]

The preferences are innate and not acquired. Though Jung does talk about archetypes developed through human history and the collective unconscious. Jung's work would give you more perspective on that.
Also, MBTI is not supposed to be taken before 14 years of age, as the individuals may not be clear about their preferences (this doesn't mean that they don't exist).

MBTI was built on Carl Jung's theory that preferences are innate, and thus MBTI is based on this premise. I'm not sure about the research in this area.

Having said that, please note that MBTI only measures the "Best Fit Type" and cannot measure the "True Type". Major life events can make you develop a comfort with the other opposite preference, but (according to the underlying theory) your true type never changes. This comfort with the opposite preference can be demonstrated using MBTI Step II, where each preference has 5 facets.
For example, I had a moderately clear preference for N and when I did the Step II, i found it was because on the Imaginative (N facet) vs Realistic (S facet), I was out of preference towards the realistic side. When I thought about it, I realized that this is because I grew up in a S dominant family where display of "S" behaviors was encourage. Hence, I developed great comfort being realistic.