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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Arguing With Those Who Have Grammar/Word Choice Issues

    Does anyone else have trouble giving a person's argument credit if they have incorrect grammar or word choice? I know that isn't the point of a debate, it should be about their point, but somehow the way they present it matters a great deal to me.



    Also, how do people still manage to confuse your/you're and there/their/they're after being in school so long?
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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    I know some INTJ's will not agree with me but I am at a point where trivial things like grammar do not matter as long the person I'm debating with can get his/her point across. Not to say that it isn't annoying but I value much more than the delivery so long as I get the result I'm after. Of course, if a person's grammar is so bad I can't understand then it's game over. I've lost interest.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    A good argument should shine through any minor grammatical errors. Unreadable is just unreadable. Everyone makes typos, and I'm more forgiving to second language writers, but there is such a thing as too many typos.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    And I thought my dislike of bad grammar was not an INTJ thing.... Actually, I've toned down my corrective tendencies. Still VERY annoying. The worst thing is, the majority of the people with bad grammar that I've dealt with, don't care about that. I understand if English is their second language, but why do they post if it's rudimentary?
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Yes: the better I know a person, the more likely I am to correct them mid-sentence - especially if they use a double negative. My friend, an ENFJ, broke up with someone based on one or two such mistakes, so I imagine it extends to several (T/J?) types.



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    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    Grammar is not much of a problem (although sometimes it is just too exhausting sifting through horrendous grammar).

    Word choice is. You make your point through word choice. If you use a word wrongly, it changes the meaning of your statement.
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    Unknown Personality

    Quote Originally Posted by Audrey View Post
    Does anyone else have trouble giving a person's argument credit if they have incorrect grammar or word choice? I know that isn't the point of a debate, it should be about their point, but somehow the way they present it matters a great deal to me.
    O yea! Well....well....

    Also, how do people still manage to confuse your/you're and there/their/they're after being in school so long?
    I'm just joking, yea I don't understand it either. Not to say that my grammar is perfect or anything but it should be quite understandable if nothing else.

    I think @lolthevoidlol summed it up pretty good though.



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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Audrey View Post
    Does anyone else have trouble giving a person's argument credit if they have incorrect grammar or word choice? I know that isn't the point of a debate, it should be about their point, but somehow the way they present it matters a great deal to me.
    These things are like static on old fashioned radios. It reduces understanding of what's being said. Other static is a lot of swearing. If somebody bumps his/her head on something and swears, it's OK with me. But if it's a constant ingredient of his/her speach or writing then it's like static on the radio. Another example is "Me and my friend..." instead of "My friend and I...". It's the same effect with spelling errors and use of CAPS LOCK, "lower case lock", and lack of punctuation etc.
    If there's too much static then I'll only be hearing the static.

    Also, how do people still manage to confuse your/you're and there/their/they're after being in school so long?
    to/too/2
    were/where/we're
    of/off/'ve
    than/then
    Last edited by lib; 12-28-2011 at 05:36 AM. Reason: Added 've
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    ENTP - The Visionaries


    Context is the most important thing to me, grammar and word choice are only an issue when I am unable to understand the other person. If you're nit-picking someone's argument because they may have used a word wrong yet you still understand what they're saying, you're just being douchey.

    At that point it would appear as if the only thing you really care about is the brandishing of your assumed intelligence, rather than the exchange of ideas.
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    INFJ - The Protectors

    It really depends on what your debating about. If it's something silly then I don't care about how you type, but if it's serious stuff I think some consideration should be put into account when spelling. I personally think that if someone has the brains to debate they better be able to spell also. If it's an honest mistake and they actually KNOW how to spell the word; then fine. I just think it makes a person appear not as bright when they post/text/type a debate with incorrect spelling. It's not that hard to use spell check or to re-edit the post.
    I figure if they can debate they can also use the right words. I'm not like a word nazi, but if you use a fifty cent word and it's completely different from what you're meaning to say; then I would rather have them speak normally then try to impress me with large words. I think that when people use uncommon words and then they use them in the wrong sentence, it only makes them appear 'pompous' and 'trying-to-look-smart'
    I was having a debate with my 2 friends on facebook. One of them I could take seriously, the other I could not because he sounded like a teenager that didn't know how to spell or write correctly. It made him seem like he didn't even really know information behind his opinions, it made him appear dumb. Even though he's a nice guy, I couldn't take him seriously.
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